descriptions for dummies

[cebwtx]

I am the dummy in question. I am always seeing the terms deep and soggy referring to animals on here. I believe I have an idea of what this means by using a little common sense (even though my wife thinks I lack any sense at all most of the time, but that's a whole other post). My question is are these two terms similar or the same, and does it basically have to do with being full bodied, not high flanked etc. ? Would the Hereford be considered soggier then the Angus? I know for most people this probably sound silly but I can research many of the topics and phrases on here because they are blackand white (diseases and defects for example) but try googling soggy and your not going to find it in cattle terms. Thanks for any help for this dummy.

 

[Bawndoh]

I kind of think of it in terms of ease of fleshing, and being softer made, not tight and hard muscled.  I have attached an image of my own cow, that I would consider soggy.  She is easy fleshing, and is deep hearted, and deep flanked. 

 

[CAB]

I am the dummy in question. I am always seeing the terms deep and soggy referring to animals on here. I believe I have an idea of what this means by using a little common sense (even though my wife thinks I lack any sense at all most of the time, but that's a whole other post). My question is are these two terms similar or the same, and does it basically have to do with being full bodied, not high flanked etc. ? Would the Hereford be considered soggier then the Angus? I know for most people this probably sound silly but I can research many of the topics and phrases on here because they are blackand white (diseases and defects for example) but try googling soggy and your not going to find it in cattle terms. Thanks for any help for this dummy.

  You have it right. Depth & soggy are talking about the same thing as descrided by you. As far as the Hereford being a bunch deeper or soggier than the black cow, Probably some, but not a lot. The Hereford has more bone so she looks stouter. Looks like the black cow is more feminine and milks hard.  Bawdoh's cow is easily the deepest, soggiest one of the 3. You are on the right track. The other thing is spring of rib or how wide they are made. Hope this helps you. Brent

 

[fed_champions]

yes those two terms are referring to being big bodied... depth and spring of rib is not only key for volume inside, but it is a direct reflection of an animals ability to lay on fat and muscle

 

[drl]

I had a non-cattle friend ask what soggy meant. I told her it is Rockin' the Beer Gut.

 

[aj]

I think it means fleshing ability. But then it gets down to diet. If a heifer is getting 30 pounds of show ration aday she could look soggy I would think. I know we had a little show heifer once that just stayed fleshy. We would keep cutting her back and she stayed soggy. She got fat on air almost. It was genetic with her I think. depth and rib and internal dimension with a moderate rate of growth to me means soggy. This makes a good cow but these cattle will probably have lower cutability. If you take a snake gutted say limi or whatever loaded with muscle you will have good cutability in more of a terminal package. Cows with fleshing ability won't nessecarily have award winning feedlot potential unless they are bred to a "terminal breed. Its all about trade offs. Thats why I think maternal breeds should look maternal and terminal breeds should look terminal. But its seems all breeds are trying to look the same again to match up some showring phenotype.jmo good topic.

 

[HSV]

So does the term "ground sow" mean the same as deep and soggy?

 

[aj]

Good question HSV. I always heard that people wanted cattle to be shaped like a wedge. Wider in back tapering to the front...from both a side and top view. Not sure how this plays with the guys with the body measuring system but these cattle are attractive. I think there is way to much bone on steers these days. Big bone hurts cut ability and makes them unsound. jmo