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dori36

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Show Heifer said:
Not to rain on everyones parade but: In MY area small framed, fat calves off of grass will bring a solid 20 cents less than a framey "green" calves will bring a premium.

I used a smaller framed angus bull several years ago, (with no creep) and took some really nice "fat" (not really) calves to the sale barn and got NAILED BIG TIME for them being to short and fat.

I guess that is the danger of "I sell pounds, and the buyer wants to buy gain potential"...

So, a word of caution......

Good and valid points, SH, especially when your programs markets on pounds.  There's no question that the buyer of calves that are heading for the feedlot doesn't want any that are, basically, done growing and finishing.  It's all part of that "art" I referred to above in keeping cattle with Lowline genetis slim.  I'll add that keeping them growing slowly and steadily without putting on fat nor maturing too early can be a challenge.  I think for your cattle business, halfbloods or even 25% Lowline blood would fit pretty well.  And for those in the seedstock business in Lowlines, we "treasure" you folks to keep our market for semen and bulls viable and "real"!
 

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Show Heifer said:
Not to rain on everyones parade but: In MY area small framed, fat calves off of grass will bring a solid 20 cents less than a framey "green" calves will bring a premium.

I used a smaller framed angus bull several years ago, (with no creep) and took some really nice "fat" (not really) calves to the sale barn and got NAILED BIG TIME for them being to short and fat.

I guess that is the danger of "I sell pounds, and the buyer wants to buy gain potential"...

So, a word of caution......

I was gone all day yesterday (until 2:30 AM this morning... yuck!), but I see that Dori & Justin did a good job handling the questions.  I do want to address this question, because it is a real good one...

1st, this is the exact reason why a commercial producer should be looking at 1/4 - 1/2 Lowline offspring, as Dori already pointed out.  Your higher percentage Lowline cattle wont cut it in the "traditional" marketing systems, but the lower percentage Lowlines will!  I've always said a 1/2 Lowline is all the Lowline that a commercial producer would ever want in their cow herd.  But, that may change, if the industry begins to change, which I think it almost is going to have to, because of high fuel & high corn. 

A year or 2 ago, I sold a 1/2 Lowline X 1/2 Tarentaise steer at a special feeder calf sale just to see how he would sell.  Well, he weighed just shy of 700 lb., had only been fed 45-60 days in his entire life & those were soybean hulls.  Anyway, he grossed a few pennies short of making $750.  That was a VERY profitable steer!! 

Now with that said, yes, sale barn buyers look for any excuse to "nail you".  But, a Lowline bull bred to most full sized cows, will produce very saleable calves IF they aren't creep/grain fed too much, which is exactly what Dori is saying too.  If they are grown on grass until they are 10-12 months, they will probably make a person more profit than a "fullsized steer" that was creep fed, continued to be grain fed & then sold at the exact same sale barn. 

On the flip side of the coin are all the "other markets":... freezer beef, specialty beef, organic beef, all natural beef, grass fed beef, etc... all those niche markets pay well & Lowlines are known to excel in those "non-traditional" markets & a producer can make more money off a steer than what the sales barns will pay.  For example, people like Ron Skaggs will pay over market price to buy Lowline bulls/steers for his grass finishing operation, because they sell the meat at a premium price too... and people are buying... buying lots of it, actually.  Now I realize that some people don't live in areas where grass finished beef would sell like "hot cakes", but you could still sell your steers to someone who is grass finishing.  Or even grain finishing Lowlines like some people that I know in New York.     

So, yes, procede with caution, but I also recommend proceeding with caution if you are still wanting to do things the "traditional way", especially with high fuel & high corn starring us in the face. 

 

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Olson Family Shorthorns said:
I know for a fact that TJ has never pulled a Lowline-sired calf.  The average half blood Lowline born in the US weighs 59 lbs.

Thanks, Justin!  Yes, I've never pulled a Lowline sired calf.  Not out of full sized heifers that were bred at only 10 months old or 2 year old fullblood heifers.  And the 10 month old heifer bred back 1 month earlier the next year.

I've also not had, nor have I heard of a Doc Holliday calf weighing over 70 lbs, even the 1/2 bloods.  Most 1/2 bloods will weigh in the 50's & the 60's. 

 

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zach said:
funny, my dad and I were going to get some feed and he was inquiring about getting some lowlines

Interesting!  Tell your dad to come to Louisville on Nov 19 & 20th & to be sure to watch the Lowline Show at 1 PM on the 20th, in Broadbent Arena.  He will get to see plenty Lowlines & get to speak with several breeders.   
 

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Here is Doc Holliday out on pasture at 4.5 years old.  Although he lost weight at the collection facility this spring, he's picked some of it back up... but, this is a "working clothes" picture if there ever was such a thing. 
 

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Thanks Dori and TJ for answering my concerns....I will NEVER forget selling those calves, as I thought I had done everything right, had them double vacc, weaned (no feed), etc, and then got HAMMERED at the barn. I was never so mad and astonished in my life.
I do some AI"ing for a few folks around and one herd is a larger Simmi herd that was asking me about downsizing his herd without sacrificing milking ability, structure etc...and thought maybe ol' Doc Holiday might be the answer. I also have a few larger cows I wouldn't mind Ai'ing to something to moderate them bit!!

Neither will be until next year....so keep me in mind TJ!!!
 

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Show Heifer said:
Thanks Dori and TJ for answering my concerns....I will NEVER forget selling those calves, as I thought I had done everything right, had them double vacc, weaned (no feed), etc, and then got HAMMERED at the barn. I was never so mad and astonished in my life.
I do some AI"ing for a few folks around and one herd is a larger Simmi herd that was asking me about downsizing his herd without sacrificing milking ability, structure etc...and thought maybe ol' Doc Holiday might be the answer. I also have a few larger cows I wouldn't mind Ai'ing to something to moderate them bit!!

Neither will be until next year....so keep me in mind TJ!!!

You are welcome.  If you want to see what a 44 inch Lowline bull will do on a frame 5.5, 1,300 lb. grade Charolais cow, check out the "Smokey heifer" thread.  Keep in mind that Doc is 4.5 inches taller than General Sherman, so his calves should be several inches bigger & they should be heavier too.     
 

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