Not really wanting to start a topic of why or why not to breed double carriers, just wanting to know some ideas of some might breed these cows too. I have two flushmate heifers that are Xray vision daughters X kaba keystone, and are phenotypically very nice. They are both real stout, hairy, and sound, one could use a touch more body and the other just touch more look. I used tiger wooods this time and will be having calves this august. Just wondered if anyone has used any other clean pedigreed bulls that would work in this situation, trying to produce shorthorn marked club calves with plenty of look and muscle? I really like some of the lautner red bulls advertised, has anyone seen them. Red Bull looks interesting for this scenario, has anyone seen him? Crimson Tide, a little confused on his carrier status, but looks good. He is marked as TH and PHA free on the website and some magazines, but in others he is a carrier of one or the other, anyone know? I guess I could call. Just wanting some ideas. Thanks