End of the world?

[aj]

Dusty...I'm kinda with you on the deal. It has always bugged the heck out of me when someone says its in the book. Or its in the bible. Or here...its in this Hitler youth manual. Or here in this book it says if I fly into the twin towers I will get 97 virgins in heaven. I guess I have trait called country boy common sense or something. My dad has it and he very seldom misses church. It just seems like to me birth control pills may not be a sin....even if it says so it some book. I have a problem with Noahs flood happening in Sherman county Kansas. I study cutbanks and geology and clues that a flood occured here.It doesn't make sense. I have never seen evidence or a single clue that a biblical flood occured here. I not saying it didn't but dang show me something. Show me a soil layer or something. I just wonder when the bible says a flood occured over the entire world.....what does that mean. The Europeans didn't know North America even existed when the bible was written. Was there something lost or gained in translation. It just bugs me. Then some church lady who has been married twice and has kids by three men says.....its in the book.It just bugs me.

 

[Ms Ray]

If I believed the world was going to end in less than two years I would not be sitting in my house right now I would on the beach somewhere  spending money I would never have to pay back,

 

[fed_champions]

When it comes to the cruel actions of some men-or peoples-Tolerance HAS NEVER EXISTED IN EITHER religion or politics as collective forces-there have been inquisistions and senseless  brutality for as long as history has been kept-Thats why tongue in cheek seems JMO-to be a good way to take and anylise pretty much any doctrine that comes along. O0

More people have been murder in the name of god than for any other reason in history.. 

Yes, remember The Crusades, but when the muslims believe they are doing the work of their god, we call them terrorists. Were the early christians during the crusades not terrorists of their time?

 

[aj]

The Ogalalah aquifer is a major natural feature in our area. I would think someone would make a case for a flood filling or at least topping it off. Surely someone has run the numbers on this possibility.

 

[PaFFA Proud]

If I believed the world was going to end in less than two years I would not be sitting in my house right now I would on the beach somewhere  spending money I would never have to pay back,

Lol same here, get credit cards and max them out, go places i would never dreamed of.. Lol i would be anywhere other then Amish country PA (lol)

 

[chambero]

Some thoughts/comments on previous posts:

Crusades - largely started because the Pope and European kings had to figure out a way to get the young men of Europe to quit fighting and killing each other.  Most of the men sent were the second and third sons of noble familities.  They had to find land for them to rule since everything at home went to the first sons.  So they sent them to the Holy Land.  There were large numbers of Christians and Muslims living in Jerusalem and other cities at the time.  The Muslims didn't particularly persecute them at all - the muslims were hard on what we would term pagans.  The first Crusaders killed more Christians and Jews than they did muslims.  Jerusalem's population was put to the sword.

The Arabs (smaller group than just generic Muslims) totally changed the natural environment of the Holy Land.  The Jewish people were farmers.  The Arabs were a nomadic people that tended to herd goats and other small livestock.  Israel and the surrounding region used to have large forsests over much of the country.  It was apparently quite lush - at least in places.  The first Arabs completely overgrazed it and deforested it - from which it has never fully recovered.  They did not understand the principles of sustainable land management that farming cultures followed even back then.  When the current nation of Israel was established following WWII, one of the big money raising efforts from forgeign Jews was to get money to replant forests.  Apparently there had been so much soil erosion over the past 1000+ years that the success of those efforts is pretty limited.

Good book to read on the subject"  The Source by James Michener.

Anyone living during those times would have though God was passing judgement against them.  You had famine, very high infant mortality, plagues, wars between rival kings/nobles, an on and on and on.  Speakers or prophets talking about the end of the world would have seemed to make a lot of sense.

Ogallala Aquifer - think of it (and all other aquifers like a sponge).  No flood needed, just thousands of years of rainfall.  The Ogallala formation is actually sand and gravel that eroded from the Rocky Mountains during a much wetter climate.  The current caliche layers near ground surface weren't present and the rainfall/snow during and immediately after the last ice age formed the current aquifer.

 

[aj]

chambero....in theory.....if you somehow sucked the the south half of the Ogallala aquifer dry would the water filter southward eventually underground? I think the Ogallala formation actually surfaces here in western kansas...the formation not the aquifer. I once talked to a Kansas geology guy. I asked him for fun about a terrorist backing a semi load of poison up to a irrigation site and poisoning the aguifer. He told me that for the most part the aquifer was so huge it could not be contaminated this way.

 

[JbarL]

show me a soil layer or something. 

(lol).....jbarl

 

[aj]

Yea....soil layers. If you dig down say 15-20 ft there are layers of soil. In our area you usually have a dark wind blown loess layer of soil. Then you run into a clay layer. All this depends on topography of course and whether or not you are on a flood plain. You usually run into another dark layer that has been called Beaver creek paleosol or Kanarado paleosol or clovis layer or whatever. You can pull pollen samples carbon 14 samples and whatnot from the different layers. Dark soils I am told is usually a time of stable,higher rainfall, time period when organic material is built up. If you smell say the kanarado palesol layer it just smells like rich farm ground. Bone fragments and whatnot usually CD aout the general clovis time period. Guess they didn't have this stuff on Oprah? Anyway Geologists study soil layers in many ways.

 

[JbarL]

If you smell say the kanarado palesol layer it just smells like rich farm ground. Bone fragments and whatnot usually CD aout the general clovis time period. Guess they didn't have this stuff on Oprah? Anyway Geologists study soil layers in many ways.

geologists study soil layers.....and some even the bible......thomas was a doubtful man as well, he had to see and touch and feel, to believe....what your seeing and smelling is the earth...and while your smelling dirt, your breathing air....like the birds and the cows and the animals that roam the earth...if youi wnat the truth of the flood you would have to understand and accept the good books account of it...if you dont believe in the flood, then you believe nothing of the bible...its not to pick and choose what parts are debatable...faith is the key to salvation.......does God get mad??.......jbarl

 

[aj]

I have met several geologist's and probably 70 archeology people. 3 have been athiest's. One of the most curious amateur anthroplogist's I have seen was  the directorof semeinar for Kansas Methodist churchs. I have 3 pastor friends. One collects artifacts mainly archaic. The other one believes the world is a very old place. The other one believes man and the earth have been here less than 2,000 years and that man walked with the dinasaurs. If you never at least ask questions about your politcal beliefs,religion and just common things I would think that person would be a great candidate for a cult. So what is it? If you believe in god but not a actual flood in western Kansas you will go to hell? If you vote Democrat you will go to hell cause of their pro-choice stance? I think faith is the key to salvation. I think studying the worlds mysteries is honorable not dishonorable. I love ya man.

 

[aj]

One thing that fascinates me about the bible is that some chapters(for the loss of a better word) were included. Some were left out. Do we go back and study the material left out? Is it valid? Is it not valid? Every human that walks this earth is biased by the things around them. The time in which you lived. The events around you. Did you grow up in a family that hated fdr or family that loved him? There are natural biases that affect peoples beliefs. Who decided what chapters were put in the bible and which ones weren't? Everybody is natural biased to a certain extent. I am just saying. I was told the new testament doesn't really describe hell well. Is it a physical place? A mental place. I just read the book (soemthing like 28 minutes in hell). I have had 3 church people tell me that his experience was a dream. I had 4 tell me he actually went to hell and came back. 6 of these people went to the same church. There are some amazing conversations around the giant coop coffee table. ;D

 

[JbarL]

If you believe in god but not a actual flood in western Kansas you will go to hell? If you vote Democrat you will go to hell cause of their pro-choice stance? I think faith is the key to salvation. I think studying the worlds mysteries is honorable not dishonorable. I love ya man.

if youi believe in god and not the flood, your faith has only been questioned....not your salvation......if i vote democrate its because i belive its none of my business what other people do if they are pregnant.....its not me who has the "choice" to stand before with...studying the worlds of mysteries is honorable ......remember god created the earth "and" the "heavens".....and things ascending from there are quite a show its told.......5000 year old math and astronomy and its precisness as shown all over the world, intrigues me....but knowing it all came from the heavens or earth  is good enough for me...i love ya to man.......keep the faith.....jbarl

 

[aj]

Point taken.