I was wondering about that bull myself. One of the owners from North Carolina contacted us a few months ago. He was sure proud to be one of the owners,it seemed. He supposedly was interested in a Shorty Plus bull calf that we own,but after awhile and several contacts we didn't hear from them anymore. He wanted to send a guy with a terrible reputation to see him in person,but when he told me who,I squelched that notion. I think he might have rolled the dice with the Big Boys........and lost.