F Nichol's Muhammad

[Simmgal]

Does anyone have any calves out of this purebred Simmental bull? If so, what does he add/take away from a cow? Any information is welcome!

http://cattlevisions.com/Simmental/Muhammad.php

 

[kfacres]

I can't comment on the actual bull himself...  but if the Nichols is the Nichols that I think it is...  I can comment on that operation. 

I travel to Des Moines, usually a few times each year, and my destination always involves two stops- one: Thomas and Nellie Harris (the folks I purchased my foundation Oxford flock from), and two: Roger Nichols- a National legend in the Hampshire and Suffolk breeds of sheep.  Roger has sold MILLIONS of dollars of stud rams and females out of his little barn along the 4 lane highway right after Prairie City.  My visit with Roger is always the highlight of my year- he knows everything about everything, everything about everyone’s breeding program, politics, sports, national news, technology, and everything- seriously. 

Anyways, to what you are asking…  I specifically remember asking Roger once about the Nichols with Sim and Angus cattle- and I’m about 95% certain he told me that was his brother- I’m also sure he told me that he had another brother that was a very large row crop farmer.  I’m thinking he told me that growing up each of the three brothers had hands in each aspect of the ag industry… but as they grew up, and moved off each separated into their own segment.  He went on to tell me about several bulls they had produced over the years (most of which I had not heard of, but assumed were trendsetters in their days.  Roger then proceeded to tell me about his past showing these heifers here, and winning over there and on and on…  I asked him about Dream On and his sire the Legacy bull- and I’m pretty sure that he said it had been several years since he’d had any involvement with the cattle—and so he really couldn’t tell me anymore than that. 

I guess what I’m saying is, that if this is the same Nichols that I am thinking it is… That program is a legit one—and if it is the same Nichols, and they are Roger’s brother/ nephews… and they inherited half of the livestock breeding knowledge that Roger has—that program should be a success; both in terms of quality and breeding prepotency.  Roger is truly one of the nation’s elite livestock minds- IMO… He’s a true breeder of quality livestock…  I remember once a story that Roger told me about someone bringing him a set of registration papers and asking if that particular ram would work on that group of ¾ sister ewe lambs…  To make the long story short- Roger told them it would, because the ram lamb had one different grandparent.  Roger was one to know how his sheep would breed- regardless of how they looked… He’d pick out the ugliest, barest headed ram lamb to be the new flock sire for a guy wanting to get all kinds of wool— and he’d be right.  The people who believed Roger, would have continued success with his genetics—I guess that’s what you’d get for not using any outcross in over 60 years. 

And anyone who’d ever spoken with Roger will remember “them suns a bitches…”. 

 

[firesweepranch]

Have you looked over the Denver sale catalog yet? Here is the link:

http://www.cattleinmotion.com/issuu/one-simmental-sale-volume-xix-national-western-simmental-sale

There is a Muhammad granddaughter in there (lot 53) that is also a Fat Butt daughter. There is also a Mama's Boy daughter in there, and if I remember correctly you were asking about him too (or someone was - it to close to Christmas and I am not remembering anything right now!).
AFA Muhammad, I am pretty sure that Nichols took him to Farm Fest this last year and had him on display. He was big and impressive, but I think he is more commercial orientated. But I am no expert for sure on the Nichols stuff. I know they have a bunch of reputable bulls out there. Very much commercial orientated. When ever we drive throw Cross Timbers, MO you can see hundred of black simmental bulls in his pastures! Impressive!!!

 

[Simmgal]

Thanks for the help!  (thumbsup) I checked out the catalog and there are some pretty good looking cattle in there!

 

[CAB]

Muhammad off of Trausch Farms sires page

http://www.trauschfarms.com/sires/Muhammad.html

 

[Simmgal]

Muhammad off of Trausch Farms sires page

http://www.trauschfarms.com/sires/Muhammad.html

Thank you!!! That was very helpful!  (clapping) (thumbsup)

 

[CAB]

I can't comment on the actual bull himself...  but if the Nichols is the Nichols that I think it is...  I can comment on that operation. 

I travel to Des Moines, usually a few times each year, and my destination always involves two stops- one: Thomas and Nellie Harris (the folks I purchased my foundation Oxford flock from), and two: Roger Nichols- a National legend in the Hampshire and Suffolk breeds of sheep.  Roger has sold MILLIONS of dollars of stud rams and females out of his little barn along the 4 lane highway right after Prairie City.  My visit with Roger is always the highlight of my year- he knows everything about everything, everything about everyone’s breeding program, politics, sports, national news, technology, and everything- seriously. 

Anyways, to what you are asking…  I specifically remember asking Roger once about the Nichols with Sim and Angus cattle- and I’m about 95% certain he told me that was his brother- I’m also sure he told me that he had another brother that was a very large row crop farmer.  I’m thinking he told me that growing up each of the three brothers had hands in each aspect of the ag industry… but as they grew up, and moved off each separated into their own segment.  He went on to tell me about several bulls they had produced over the years (most of which I had not heard of, but assumed were trendsetters in their days.  Roger then proceeded to tell me about his past showing these heifers here, and winning over there and on and on…  I asked him about Dream On and his sire the Legacy bull- and I’m pretty sure that he said it had been several years since he’d had any involvement with the cattle—and so he really couldn’t tell me anymore than that. 

I guess what I’m saying is, that if this is the same Nichols that I am thinking it is… That program is a legit one—and if it is the same Nichols, and they are Roger’s brother/ nephews… and they inherited half of the livestock breeding knowledge that Roger has—that program should be a success; both in terms of quality and breeding prepotency.  Roger is truly one of the nation’s elite livestock minds- IMO… He’s a true breeder of quality livestock…  I remember once a story that Roger told me about someone bringing him a set of registration papers and asking if that particular ram would work on that group of ¾ sister ewe lambs…  To make the long story short- Roger told them it would, because the ram lamb had one different grandparent.  Roger was one to know how his sheep would breed- regardless of how they looked… He’d pick out the ugliest, barest headed ram lamb to be the new flock sire for a guy wanting to get all kinds of wool— and he’d be right.  The people who believed Roger, would have continued success with his genetics—I guess that’s what you’d get for not using any outcross in over 60 years. 

And anyone who’d ever spoken with Roger will remember “them suns a *****es…”. 

Not the same Nichols. This is Nichols Farms, Bridgewater,Iowa. Dave Nichols and his late brother Lee & their wives Phillys and Lillian have multi breeds of cattle and breed performance cattle with coop herds in NC. & Mo. @ least. Great PPL.

 

[Freddy]

The bull is part of TRAUSCHS bull lineup ,uaes for quite a few years , excelllent calves ,my biggest problem was he waas not HYMOZYGOUS black  and the commercial guys wanted  them that way... But had very excellent calves .....

 

[Simmgal]

The bull is part of TRAUSCHS bull lineup ,uaes for quite a few years , excelllent calves ,my biggest problem was he waas not HYMOZYGOUS black  and the commercial guys wanted  them that way... But had very excellent calves .....

Did he mark calves with extra chrome, or would some just be red?

 

[hangonsloopy]

Here is our Muhammed daughter.  She was Reserve in her division in Louisville,  the only heifer ever to beat her was the Strickland heifer that ended up winning Denver last year.

Our experience with this bull is that he is very good on the calving ease side and his calves are a bit more moderate and pretty that a lot of Simme bulls.

 

[kfacres]

I can't comment on the actual bull himself...  but if the Nichols is the Nichols that I think it is...  I can comment on that operation. 

I travel to Des Moines, usually a few times each year, and my destination always involves two stops- one: Thomas and Nellie Harris (the folks I purchased my foundation Oxford flock from), and two: Roger Nichols- a National legend in the Hampshire and Suffolk breeds of sheep.  Roger has sold MILLIONS of dollars of stud rams and females out of his little barn along the 4 lane highway right after Prairie City.  My visit with Roger is always the highlight of my year- he knows everything about everything, everything about everyone’s breeding program, politics, sports, national news, technology, and everything- seriously. 

Anyways, to what you are asking…  I specifically remember asking Roger once about the Nichols with Sim and Angus cattle- and I’m about 95% certain he told me that was his brother- I’m also sure he told me that he had another brother that was a very large row crop farmer.  I’m thinking he told me that growing up each of the three brothers had hands in each aspect of the ag industry… but as they grew up, and moved off each separated into their own segment.  He went on to tell me about several bulls they had produced over the years (most of which I had not heard of, but assumed were trendsetters in their days.  Roger then proceeded to tell me about his past showing these heifers here, and winning over there and on and on…  I asked him about Dream On and his sire the Legacy bull- and I’m pretty sure that he said it had been several years since he’d had any involvement with the cattle—and so he really couldn’t tell me anymore than that. 

I guess what I’m saying is, that if this is the same Nichols that I am thinking it is… That program is a legit one—and if it is the same Nichols, and they are Roger’s brother/ nephews… and they inherited half of the livestock breeding knowledge that Roger has—that program should be a success; both in terms of quality and breeding prepotency.  Roger is truly one of the nation’s elite livestock minds- IMO… He’s a true breeder of quality livestock…  I remember once a story that Roger told me about someone bringing him a set of registration papers and asking if that particular ram would work on that group of ¾ sister ewe lambs…  To make the long story short- Roger told them it would, because the ram lamb had one different grandparent.  Roger was one to know how his sheep would breed- regardless of how they looked… He’d pick out the ugliest, barest headed ram lamb to be the new flock sire for a guy wanting to get all kinds of wool— and he’d be right.  The people who believed Roger, would have continued success with his genetics—I guess that’s what you’d get for not using any outcross in over 60 years. 

And anyone who’d ever spoken with Roger will remember “them suns a *****es…”. 

Not the same Nichols. This is Nichols Farms, Bridgewater,Iowa. Dave Nichols and his late brother Lee & their wives Phillys and Lillian have multi breeds of cattle and breed performance cattle with coop herds in NC. & Mo. @ least. Great PPL.

Ya, and I"m pretty sure they have a brother named Roger...  You might ask them...

 

[vcsf]

I can't comment on the actual bull himself...  but if the Nichols is the Nichols that I think it is...  I can comment on that operation. 

I travel to Des Moines, usually a few times each year, and my destination always involves two stops- one: Thomas and Nellie Harris (the folks I purchased my foundation Oxford flock from), and two: Roger Nichols- a National legend in the Hampshire and Suffolk breeds of sheep.  Roger has sold MILLIONS of dollars of stud rams and females out of his little barn along the 4 lane highway right after Prairie City.  My visit with Roger is always the highlight of my year- he knows everything about everything, everything about everyone’s breeding program, politics, sports, national news, technology, and everything- seriously. 

Anyways, to what you are asking…  I specifically remember asking Roger once about the Nichols with Sim and Angus cattle- and I’m about 95% certain he told me that was his brother- I’m also sure he told me that he had another brother that was a very large row crop farmer.  I’m thinking he told me that growing up each of the three brothers had hands in each aspect of the ag industry… but as they grew up, and moved off each separated into their own segment.  He went on to tell me about several bulls they had produced over the years (most of which I had not heard of, but assumed were trendsetters in their days.  Roger then proceeded to tell me about his past showing these heifers here, and winning over there and on and on…  I asked him about Dream On and his sire the Legacy bull- and I’m pretty sure that he said it had been several years since he’d had any involvement with the cattle—and so he really couldn’t tell me anymore than that. 

I guess what I’m saying is, that if this is the same Nichols that I am thinking it is… That program is a legit one—and if it is the same Nichols, and they are Roger’s brother/ nephews… and they inherited half of the livestock breeding knowledge that Roger has—that program should be a success; both in terms of quality and breeding prepotency.  Roger is truly one of the nation’s elite livestock minds- IMO… He’s a true breeder of quality livestock…  I remember once a story that Roger told me about someone bringing him a set of registration papers and asking if that particular ram would work on that group of ¾ sister ewe lambs…  To make the long story short- Roger told them it would, because the ram lamb had one different grandparent.  Roger was one to know how his sheep would breed- regardless of how they looked… He’d pick out the ugliest, barest headed ram lamb to be the new flock sire for a guy wanting to get all kinds of wool— and he’d be right.  The people who believed Roger, would have continued success with his genetics—I guess that’s what you’d get for not using any outcross in over 60 years. 

And anyone who’d ever spoken with Roger will remember “them suns a *****es…”. 

Not the same Nichols. This is Nichols Farms, Bridgewater,Iowa. Dave Nichols and his late brother Lee & their wives Phillys and Lillian have multi breeds of cattle and breed performance cattle with coop herds in NC. & Mo. @ least. Great PPL.

Ya, and I"m pretty sure they have a brother named Roger...  You might ask them...

BS someday you might learn that when you do not really know what you are talking about it is best to remain silent.  I believe your friend Roger is the brother of Marvin Nichols of Nichols Cryo-Genetics but I am fairly  sure they are not brothers to Dave and the late Lee Nichols of Nichols Farms.

 

[kfacres]

I can't comment on the actual bull himself...  but if the Nichols is the Nichols that I think it is...  I can comment on that operation. 

I travel to Des Moines, usually a few times each year, and my destination always involves two stops- one: Thomas and Nellie Harris (the folks I purchased my foundation Oxford flock from), and two: Roger Nichols- a National legend in the Hampshire and Suffolk breeds of sheep.  Roger has sold MILLIONS of dollars of stud rams and females out of his little barn along the 4 lane highway right after Prairie City.  My visit with Roger is always the highlight of my year- he knows everything about everything, everything about everyone’s breeding program, politics, sports, national news, technology, and everything- seriously. 

Anyways, to what you are asking…  I specifically remember asking Roger once about the Nichols with Sim and Angus cattle- and I’m about 95% certain he told me that was his brother- I’m also sure he told me that he had another brother that was a very large row crop farmer.  I’m thinking he told me that growing up each of the three brothers had hands in each aspect of the ag industry… but as they grew up, and moved off each separated into their own segment.  He went on to tell me about several bulls they had produced over the years (most of which I had not heard of, but assumed were trendsetters in their days.  Roger then proceeded to tell me about his past showing these heifers here, and winning over there and on and on…  I asked him about Dream On and his sire the Legacy bull- and I’m pretty sure that he said it had been several years since he’d had any involvement with the cattle—and so he really couldn’t tell me anymore than that. 

I guess what I’m saying is, that if this is the same Nichols that I am thinking it is… That program is a legit one—and if it is the same Nichols, and they are Roger’s brother/ nephews… and they inherited half of the livestock breeding knowledge that Roger has—that program should be a success; both in terms of quality and breeding prepotency.  Roger is truly one of the nation’s elite livestock minds- IMO… He’s a true breeder of quality livestock…  I remember once a story that Roger told me about someone bringing him a set of registration papers and asking if that particular ram would work on that group of ¾ sister ewe lambs…  To make the long story short- Roger told them it would, because the ram lamb had one different grandparent.  Roger was one to know how his sheep would breed- regardless of how they looked… He’d pick out the ugliest, barest headed ram lamb to be the new flock sire for a guy wanting to get all kinds of wool— and he’d be right.  The people who believed Roger, would have continued success with his genetics—I guess that’s what you’d get for not using any outcross in over 60 years. 

And anyone who’d ever spoken with Roger will remember “them suns a *****es…”. 

Not the same Nichols. This is Nichols Farms, Bridgewater,Iowa. Dave Nichols and his late brother Lee & their wives Phillys and Lillian have multi breeds of cattle and breed performance cattle with coop herds in NC. & Mo. @ least. Great PPL.

Ya, and I"m pretty sure they have a brother named Roger...  You might ask them...

BS someday you might learn that when you do not really know what you are talking about it is best to remain silent.  I believe your friend Roger is the brother of Marvin Nichols of Nichols Cryo-Genetics but I am fairly  sure they are not brothers to Dave and the late Lee Nichols of Nichols Farms.

could be...  not going to argue with you... I'll ask again next time I see him...

 

[Freddy]

The calves that I had ,just a few were all black out of Angus cows, some had that red tinge but so do some of the blacks ....

 

[Simmgal]

Here is our Muhammed daughter.  She was Reserve in her division in Louisville,  the only heifer ever to beat her was the Strickland heifer that ended up winning Denver last year.

Our experience with this bull is that he is very good on the calving ease side and his calves are a bit more moderate and pretty that a lot of Simme bulls.

That's a really nice heifer! Congrats!!! (thumbsup)


Thanks for all of your help, everyone! I really appreciate it!  ;D