We got along great with him, but are not using him again. For me they were all too open in the shoulder and tight in their structure. Now that being said they had enough power, belly, bone, and hair that their faults didn't bother quite a few people. We sold 18,000 dollars worth on 3 hd and have 2 replacements from last year. Finished out the cane and have 2 on the ground this year and both look the part and I will be suprised if they are not high sellers. Conception was great! He has his place and IMO it is on really flat shouldered plain made females. Exactly where Broker and many other Steel Force sons don't work