Stewart what ever you do start with some good quality cows and work from there. I have often wondered how the Red Angus or Durham Reds, crossed with a Red Simmental would do as a cow base and then breed to some of the bulls that throw color. It takes a real good red steer to compete with the blacks, but I have also seen the real good reds bring better money at a sale, but I think that is more because there are usually only one or two good reds per sale.
What ever you decide to do, stay away from Carrier cows (Clean cows lets you breeed to more ofthe bulls out there), breed smart, watch the birth weights on some of the bulls out there, and good luck.
Jody, does somebody p!$s in your Captain Crunch every day or just once in awhile, maybe he just ran a few commercial cows with a bull in the past, now he is looking to breed some club calves, a completely differnet world.
I really do not know why you have to insult someone right of the bat, instead of offering advice. Just because you can not stand club calves do you always have to be an/a ______?