Good luck?

[firesweepranch]

OK, so my daughter bought an Angus pair from a dispersal sale (Graham Angus in OK) over Labor day. Paid very little for the cow and calf. The cow is a 6 year old TC Freedom by Blackbird cow and huge framed for an Angus (mind you, we are used to Simmi's, not Angus!). The calf was advertised as a BC Big Daddy, and was born right before the sale (she was just a few days old), true to the AI date (we even call her "Little D" for her daddy's name). She is little, our 30 day 3/4 blood simm bull calf is as big as the Angus calf (who is 60 days old). So, today we get the papers on the calf (still waiting for the papers on the cow!), and her papers say she is a SAV Pioneer, not a BC Big Daddy as advertised. We bought the pair to use for breeding to simm bulls for half bloods and hoped the heifer will grow and be a possible show calf for the girls. So at first I was mad. But after looking up information on Pioneer, I think we might be better off. So, what happened? All I can figure is they DNA'd the calf and found out someone used the wrong straw??? Anyway, after reading information about Pioneer, she might just grow? I took a pic with my phone of her today, not the best but you see what she is. The second photo is the 30 day old 3/4 blood Mo Better bull calf. They are the same size...

 

[Pleasant Grove Farms]

if it makes a difference to you, I think I might pull hair on both your new cows and calf.....

don't cost that much, isn't hard to do, that way you would know.

 

[lightnin4]

I think it's $6 for a DNA test on the calf from the Angus assoc. + $1.50 for the test card.  Worth doing i think.  I've got to test three of my fall calves since I had a young bull get out with the cows when I was A.I.ing them.

 

[Freddy]

MY experience with the PIONEER calves an I don't have a lot of them,5-6 but they are smaller an gradually catch up and make very good cattle ...

 

[firesweepranch]

Thanks guys, but since they DNA'd them for the sale, do I need to DNA them again? I think that is why the little heifer has a different sire listed; she did not DNA back to the sire listed in the catalog (I am waiting for a return email from the auction compay). A letter came with her papers stating that if I was still missing papers (we have not received them on the dam) that they were waiting results on the DNA still, so I am assuming the dam was DNA'd also.
Anyway, I just hope that the little heifer grows like the typical Pioneer calves I have herd of so for (like you Freddy - thanks!). The cow is huge (Adam Owen came over tonight to fill our tank and deliver some semen) and looked at the cow and said she was very large (and therefor would not be a good cross for Rendition - which was what I was thinking). I need a simm bull that will downsize her....

 

[frostback]

Grandmaster.