Grand at houston, how did he compare to past champs

[okshowmom]

Who bred the grand and reserve at Houston?

 

[JY]

The hocks on the Reserve were completely unacceptable. There were too many good steers to use that using a steer with swelled up hocks with fluid pockets to boot should not happen. The Champion was just a nice fronted sound calf that did not compare to Newman's Houston Champion or the Champion Maine That Newmans had this year at Houston.

 

[DCC show cattle]

talk about structure issues to bring up a calf in comparison to newmans this year at houston! Had that calf been able to walk he would have won that show or at least had a piece of it in my opinion

 

[Freddy]

DID Troy thomas judge the Huston show ...........

 

[DCC show cattle]

Yes Freddy Troy Thomas did judge the steer show in houston this year

 

[Freddy]

I think that the judges that you  had  at Huston and Fort Worth are as experienced ,been there and done it type guys as your going to find in the cattle business .

I guess personally I would be very satisfied with these two judges ability  to handle this task as anybody I know of ...Maybe the size of this job  would be a factor because your shows arer getting to be quite a chore .....It took me fifty years to learn that when you go to a show and consent to take the judges decision as final under the conditions at that show .  If you don't agree that can be your opinion and go on to the next show ...Most  of the judges  have earned the right to be judging and especially  your judges this year ...

 

[HF CHARS]

I think that the judges that you  had  at Huston and Fort Worth are as experienced ,been there and done it type guys as your going to find in the cattle business .

I guess personally I would be very satisfied with these two judges ability  to handle this task as anybody I know of ...Maybe the size of this job  would be a factor because your shows arer getting to be quite a chore .....It took me fifty years to learn that when you go to a show and consent to take the judges decision as final under the conditions at that show .  If you don't agree that can be your opinion and go on to the next show ...Most  of the judges  have earned the right to be judging and especially  your judges this year ...

(clapping)Well Said!!!  Took the words right out of my mouth!! (clapping)

 

[Vacanballs]

I sat through two days of the Houston steer show to see what I and many others would call a comedic performance. I could not keep track of the number of structurally incorrect calves that were pulled and that even made the sale. You had those calves that could not be missed filter their way to the top, but the only pattern that most could follow was that it didn't matter if they could walk or not. I also saw alot of calves that appeared very racy (tall, extremely long fronted, shallow, round hipped) move their way to the top. It was the joke of many stalls in the barn that week.

The calves that won were both Rash calves. I am the last one to say anything if people's cattle are great, but the grand and champ. Charolais did not deserve to get out of its class as someone mentioned earlier. He was a decent calf, but walked way underneath himself and was round in his hip and muscle pattern. Again, I am not one to spread rumors or even believe them, but word was that Rash had bought some very expensive heifers from judge, not long before the show. If you know Ryan's history and you saw the steer that won, it would certainly make you wonder.

Things like this make people not want to participate in what we are trying to preserve. It seems to me that it is getting harder and harder to find judges that you can be confident in, whatever the species of livestock may be. I understand that industry leaders are going to have ties to people that are showing in that show, but something must be done to preserve the integrity of livestock shows.

I did not have a calf there that day, nor was I involved with one, but the heavy weight Charolais class winner was a massive calf. Even the judge said that he was not too big. He was left in the line up while a structurally incorrect calf took champion and a calf that you could tell hasn't been worked with circled its way to reserve breed.

I am sure that I will catch hell about this from some on here, but this was just my take from the show.

 

[gbart]

I didn't make the steer show this year but this seems to be the pattern at most of the majors. I am not sure how we can perserve this at the rate things are going.  I am still old school and believe that the term market steer means just that not how pretty they look and it seems that alot of judges have forgotten that we are truly looking at carcass and what that steer will bring to market. Just my opinion but I have seen way to many unsound calves this year that beat sound, correct ones.

 

[Freddy]

WELL AFTER ALL i SAID earlier I do haft to admit that this does happen at a lot of shows and this is to bad ...To have the honor of judging such a prestigous show as the kind that Texas has you would think no amount of money would detour this ......

 

[Telos]

I feel a judge's purpose is to make a stateman and create a response. The last two Houston's Grand Champions didn't fall into the Betty Crocker/ Cookie Cutter Mold of type. Frankly, I find that kind of refreshing. I can't imagine why Thomas  would have choosen a calf that he did not like. He had to of seen something good in him that was better or more complete then the pack.
 

When you have so many cattle that are compromised in their structural makeup you have little options but to go ahead and use some. You can't send all of them to the back.