hormones in beef

[knabe]

Interesting article

http://news.sciencemag.org/people-events/2014/03/top-u.s.-scientific-misconduct-official-quits-frustration-bureaucracy

It's being bossy when bossy women want to ban the word bossy.

The irony is lost on them.

 

[knabe]

http://www.science20.com/science_20/iron_deficiency_does_not_cause_people_become_vegans-130784

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Maybe it's just me but kids sure seem to mature faster then in decades past. For every article you can show me that says these things are ok I can show you one that says they aren't. To me since I'm just a novice at best about synthetic drugs my gut says stay away as much as possible. Same goes with high fructose corn syrup. That crap is in everything. I read a quote the other day that said if it has a commercial, don't eat it. I tend to agree. I still eat at BW3's or whatever occasionally but more and more I prefer food I raised. Real food. Not food like substances. It makes a difference. I quit pop over a year ago. I still love beer. Even that  damn Budweiser and it's GMO grains


You all can make fun of the whole foods mom all you want. I'm listening to them and I'm going to produce what they want. It's a free country

 

[Mill Iron A]

trevorgreycattleco- I think what you are doing is awesome, we need diverse products in the marketplace to satisfy different needs. My only offense to this is most of the time it is sold as better than conventional beef which is poison. It's simply not true and is bad for the entire industry to market it that way. Your comment about kids maturing early...they actually have proved now it is because they are overconditioned and there is a plethora of sexually explicit material everywhere we go. It has nothing to do with synthetic or normal hormones. By the way, if it were hormones then shouldn't we point to birth control first? I mean they are ingesting them directly.......ridiculous. MGA used to be a legal birth control in jamaica and the waste runoff from the women in that country was contaminating the water!

Produce the product you want for the market thats there, just don't trash other products to get it sold. It's the same conversation as show vs production vs high performance vs forage based genetics. Do what works for you and your program and don't trash other programs to get ahead. The customer base that thinks like you will come to you.

 

[RyanChandler]

At the same time, don't present the situation as if all 'conventional' products are harmless.  Like you said, at one time, MGA was legal.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

What if what we are doing is really hurting us? What's causing all this cancer? I'm not saying it's hormones alone. I think it's the whole system of how we produce our food, how it's processed and how it's presented. I think a hog, chicken , turkey, cow, lamb, whatever staying in a confined area being fed feed with antibiotics, growth stimulants does nobody any good except big business and the govt. Farmers have been painted into a corner by legislation and policies. Heaven forbid you don't raise corn and beans that have been sprayed, fertilized and god knows how much fuel is burnt producing all this. The whole thing just seems out if balance to me. We farm the ground and it's in a constant emergency state. It needs, needs, needs.

I hope someday we make a better way.

 

[knabe]

Cancer rates have been going down, some probably due to less smoking and better nitrition in some populations and obviously other problems have displaced cancer, ie type 2 diabetes.


Also, if good nutrition helps with fertility in cows, then so does it in humans and it may have something to do with fewer infectious diseases as well as changes in sexual activity over decades according to research.

 

[JTM]

Government's role should be to regulate the food and make sure it is safe. It is one of the few things I believe government should be involved in. We need accountability and honest people working in government that have principles. We don't need more government. I personally don't use hormones on my calves and never had. I don't condemn those that do but believe if the FDA find proof that is causes major health issues then action should be taken. The same with all the other stuff. We all need to ask questions and be ready to answer questions to consumers as beef farmers. I don't like the idea of GMO's either but we have to deal with what we put in Washington. I like and agree with BTDT's comments. A lot of it is propaganda because they don't have proof. They just get emotionally charged on an issue and want to act powerful and knowledgeable.
For the environmental chemist or lefty environmentalist, everything comes down to saving the earth... Let's move forward: Those hormones are causing teenage girls to develop too early and therefore they are getting pregnant which causes too much population growth which causes Al Gore to make more movies which causes teenage girls to have abortions which causes them to smoke weed and then everything is solved...


fyi:last part is satire.

 

[RyanChandler]

http://www.kyfreepress.com/2013/08/whooping-up-synthetic-drugs/

 

[Mill Iron A]

I see what you are saying Xbar but just to clarify that was in Jamaica and not on US soil......

trevorgreycattleco....I think everyone has to question the system, really you should question everything in your life as it just pushes you to become stronger or just change your beliefs. I do not know much about farming but my family ranches and has been practicing holistic range management since the 80's and it has done wonders for the land. We have doubled our carrying capacity and the range looks amazing. I truly wish more people were better grass managers, it really is a passion of mine and every time I see an overgrazed pasture or a horse pasture stomp lot I shutter.

 

[knabe]

The fact of the matter is that you, nor anyone else, know the long term effects of incremental SYNTHETIC hormone exposure.  There is only one way to avoid this POTENTIAL risk-  and that is to eat food that has been produced w/o exposure to synthetics.

I guess I have to wonder about Premarin birth control pills, not to mention the quality of life for the horses.
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[/size]they are synthetic and there is a paucity of outrage.

 

[Lucky_P]

Where to start.  Rambling thoughts...

As knabe said, cancer rates have been dropping, and cure rates have been increasing, for decades, despite what the MSM would have you believe.  When we have folks routinely living into their 80s-90s, instead of wearing out or dying in their 30s-40s, well, cancer is gonna get some of them.  Most women will develop breast cancer if they live long enough; most older men will develop prostate cancer - but most of these will succumb to something other than their 'cancer'. 

Early puberty? So many factors can play a role:
Photoperiod - think artificial lighting... There's a reason Thoroughbred breeders and egg producers put or keep those mares and hens under artificial lighting - to bring them into estrus or keep the egg production going.  I suspect most youngsters these days have the lights on well past sundown.
Level of nutrition - if you need to get heifers to 65% (or whatever) of mature body weight in order to have them cycling reliably to get them bred, what effect do you think improved nutrition (or, increased caloric intake) has had on puberty, when 5th grade girls weigh 135lb (or 250!), when 40 years ago, they might not hit that 125-135 lb mark 'til they were in the 10th grade...

The level of estrogenic activity is miniscule in beef from an implanted steer.  It's easily 60-100 times higher in beef from heifers/cows with intact functional ovaries.  How much ground beef that the majority of our population consumes comes from cull beef & dairy cows?  The majority of it!  That said, however, the estrogenic activity present in beef from those intact female bovines is still far less than that found in soy, beans, cabbage, broccoli, etc.

knabe also touched on Premarin. How many of us are on municipal water systems that source their water from rivers - downstream from other towns or cities?  Mine comes from the Cumberland River; I'm downstream from Nashville TN and numerous southcentral KY towns - reckon how much urine from women with active ovaries, or on birth control pills or post-menopausal hormone replacement therapy is in the water by the time it gets to Lake Barkley, where my drinking water comes from?  Granted, it's diluted, and my water supplier filters and chlorinates, but what's the 'hormone' level in my drinking water?  I dunno.

The concern over amount of 'hormones' in beef from implanted steers is, IMO hysterical 'straining at a gnat' - it's less than miniscule.  Most, if not all of those growth-promoting implants exert their action by stimulating the pituitary gland to release more 'natural' growth hormone - resulting in an animal that produces more lean muscle mass and less fat - isn't that what the consumer keeps telling us that they want?!

 

[RyanChandler]

Where to start.  Rambling thoughts...

 

Most, if not all of those growth-promoting implants exert their action by stimulating the pituitary gland to release more 'natural' growth hormone - resulting in an animal that produces more lean muscle mass and less fat -

Are you sure  (lol)

 

[knabe]

These people thoght they knew what they were talking about.

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/01/02/1114999109.abstract

"Rather than searching for the “secret” of Stradivari, future research might best focused on how violinists evaluate instruments, on which specific playing qualities are most important to them, and on how these qualities relate to measurable attributes of the instruments, whether old or new."

I suggest a similar study on rating risks from hormones in beef versus driving a car, going to the doctor, or a whole host of other risks. 

Wont ever happen as the human brain is mostly irrational and will often seek a diminishing return on improvement at the cost of easy imprvements elsewhere and view any threat to a change in this behavior as blasphemy punishable by limits on speech and thought.


Its as if we are reliving the inquisition all over again with respect to understanding double blind tests and rational thought.

 

[RyanChandler]

These people thoght they knew what they were talking about.

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/01/02/1114999109.abstract

"Rather than searching for the “secret” of Stradivari, future research might best focused on how violinists evaluate instruments, on which specific playing qualities are most important to them, and on how these qualities relate to measurable attributes of the instruments, whether old or new."

I suggest a similar study on rating risks from hormones in beef versus driving a car, going to the doctor, or a whole host of other risks. 

Wont ever happen as the human brain is mostly irrational and will often seek a diminishing return on improvement at the cost of easy imprvements elsewhere and view any threat to a change in this behavior as blasphemy punishable by limits on speech and thought.

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Why is it so common that people will justify assuming additional risk just because they already engage in risky behavior?  It doesn't make any sense to me.  Hormones in beef might very well be at the bottom of the risk-rating list, but if we can hedge risk, in general, by using a potentially safer alternative,... why not? Obviously there are some risks that are unavoidable.  I have to drive in traffic everyday, there's no public transportation option.  With food- we have options!

Remove the folks who have a financial interest in the matter, and you'll be left with very few proponents of implanted beef. 

 

[RyanChandler]

 

Most, if not all of those growth-promoting implants exert their action by stimulating the pituitary gland to release more 'natural' growth hormone - resulting in an animal that produces more lean muscle mass and less fat -

Are you sure  (lol)

Many articles on the topic will mislead you and say, "Implants work by increasing circulating levels of somatotropin and insulin-like growth-factor 1. This causes an increase in the secretion of growth hormone, which increases muscle growth."

THIS IS A FACTUALLY INCORRECT!

While it is true synthetic somatotropin stimulates the pituitary gland to produce more of the natural growth hormone,  there are no implants which contain somatotropin. 

Androgenic implants work by stimulating protein synthesis.  If anything, they SUPPRESS natural hormone production in an attempt to regulate; homeostasis.

 

[knabe]

Specifcally which part is factually incorrect?  The sentence doesnt say they are adding somatotropin.