Thats the kind of bull Ill use on a clubby WHITE Shorthorn or blue roan-the only really thick polled Herefords Ive seen at Denver were from OKLA-I think Star Lake-they were way good. ALOT OF THE OLD horned bulls on display had NO BUTT-I will use one that has a butt,and some hip.-He looks like he would-and could use a dose of clubby lower quarter JMO O0