How much would you pay for this Angus bull

[Aussie]

This Bull made $91000 to a syndicate including ABS Worldwide easily a new Australian record. Here is the sale notes and pedigree http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=22342A3D&2=2934&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5D5A5A5B2324262423&9=525A5D&11=51515850&12=4342415D

 

[flacowman]

for me, he and his dam both could move slightly longer strided and aggressively for that kind of money.  I like him in the pic but the video doesn't impress me as much.  I also don't know Aussie epd's but I assume he was worth the money.  If abs helped buy him I bet he'll turn out like they want him to though

 

[Okotoks]

I love his price! Wouldn't mind selling one for that. His numbers are great if you are after growth. He also has good milk and carcass #'s.
He doesn't really appeal to me in the video and I didn't really like the dam but from the footnotes I guess she is a great producer. I liked the looks of the sire.

 

[Aussie]

His sire held the last Aussie sale record sold for $65000 privately last year.

 

[cowboybecoachin]

High carcass and growth EPD sire. Outcross pedigree for many breeders. Goes back to Focus and OSU bull. Good commercial appeal, don't see him working for show quality breeders.

 

[Bradenh]

looks like a plain ole black angus bull to me, must have had some excellent epd's

 

[knabe]

looks like two bulls, front and rear.  what's his rib eye scan 12".  got white in front of his scrotum, his ear tag is in his left ear, tight sheathed, and he looks kinda like a waygu.  if he didn't have that bell, he would look even more weird.  would like to blow some volume into him and give him a more masculine head.

are the freeze brands located so you can see them from the sky?

 

[fed_champions]

I wouldnt give 2000 for him, this is whats wrong with EPD's, youve got high dollar bulls like this. He's steep hipped, plain muscled and doesn't even move very well. Pretty plain to me. Ive raised some exotic bulls that would blow him out of the water, but are still only worth 3500 tops. I don't know much about aussie cattle, but the Angus here have degressed significantly after people started buying strictly for EPD's. No offense to the owners of this bull, but i just try to call it like i see it.

 

[cowboybecoachin]

IMO, a bunch of this EPD busuness has been striclty created to give wealthy hobby ranchers something to "compete" with, as they CANNOT compete with the show cattle except in rare occurences. "Wow, this bull has a 3 hundreths of a % more IMF than any other bull in the offering, and that puts him in the top 10% of the breed!" Big Woop. Is that gonna make him more valuable to you commercial bull buyer down the road? Only if they retain ownership through the slaugher process, and then, maybe.
  More important , it has been used to SELL cattle to wealthier ranchers, many of who would not know a good one from a bad one. But he is an-----------------(fill in the name of a hot "carcass" bull) and therefore must be better!
Actually, not, in many cases. Have you guys noticed the high marbling/carcass type cattle often are poor doing animals in real life range conditions? And can't raise a heavy weaning calf?
Notice that some of your best cattle (Duff, Ohlde, GCC, among others) do NOT have the high $B value on their pedigree. And just where did those numbers come from? Other than a system developed by and for some ranchers to sell more cattle, many of which you and I would not wish to own.
Not knocking any breeder. But there are "real world" cattle that are sound, functional, and have GROWTH. And most cow-calf guys sell POUNDS. We do need a heifer bull........ONCE. Then breed them to something that lets you wean a heavy calf. Or raise a show baby!

 

[justintime]

I am not a believer in using EPDs as the sole reason to buy an animal. When I am looking for a bull, I try to find one that my eyes like, and then I check the numbers and hopefully they indicate relative confidence that he will add some improvement. EPDs only tell part of the story, and not even close to all of it. EPDs really do not indicate anything about structural soundness especially on feet and leg structure. They do not indicate testicle shape and how they hang, and in most breeds they say nothing about temperament which is a very important consideration.
EPDs are just a tool to use and IMO nothing more.
Whether this bull is worth $91,000 is something I do not know.I have seen many bulls that sold for so called big dollars, that were worth many times what they sold for. I have seen bulls that sold for $3000 that were over priced.  I do believe that many people have lost all concept on what a good bull or female is truely worth. I have owned several bulls that have paid for themselves before their first calf was born  from semen  sales. In 1973, we purchased a bull in the American Polled Shorthorn Congress for $5300 which was a record price at that time. We had sold almost $18,000 in semen  from him before I had a calf born. We used this bull in our herd for 5 years, then sold him to a breeder in Colorado for $5000. It is now 34 years later and I still sell semen from him every year. So what was this bull worth? Many people thought I was crazy when we purchased him.  When I think back over many herd bulls we have used, I cannot think of many that were poor investments. We paid $25,000 for full possession and half semen interest in a bull named IDS Duke of Dublin, in 1983. Our share of the semen sales from him in 3 years was over $100,000. These are just a couple examples from my operation.

I have no doubt that if this bull is promoted properly that $91,000 will look like a very reasonable price. Just from his picture, he doesn't look exceptional in any quality, but I expect his new owners are thinking they got a bargain. $90,000 in world wide semen sales is really a drop in the bucket.

 

[aj]

If it was straight up money, the free markets have spoken. It was what the market place decided the value of that bull was.....at least on that day.

 

[snoit]

It sounds like a good way to promo a bull. Think of all the free advertising and how many people have talked about the bull that brought 91,000. How many of us have been to a sale where a deal has been done outside the ring and a bull sold for 40,000 in the sale  just so they could use that number down the line.

 

[justintime]

It sounds like a good way to promo a bull. Think of all the free advertising and how many people have talked about the bull that brought 91,000. How many of us have been to a sale where a deal has been done outside the ring and a bull sold for 40,000 in the sale  just so they could use that number down the line.

I remember talking with the late Doug Schrag, a few years after he purchased WHR Sonny 8114 ET for $20,000. He said that he made many times more money from him selling for $20,000 than he would have if he had paid $10,000.  I also remember getting a phone bid on a bull from a well known breeder at $8000. I told him I thought he should get the bull for less than that amount, and he replied that I shlould try to make sure he brought close to that amount. This was a guy who makes his living from his cow herd, and he said that nothing would affect the prices of his bulls  more than him buying a cheap herd sire.  I found his logic interesting.

 

[ruhtram]

wow that's a lot of money!

 

[Aussie]

Unfortunately the link to see this bull walk has gone. I would of been interested to hear JIT and others comments on his movement. He to me is quite sickle hocked with his Dam worse which goes back to her Sire BT Ultravox 297E. Ultravox was widely used here for his figures but you see very few females around because they were just not sound.
I can appreciate what Cowboybecoachin is saying but here the big boys especalliy in the Angus live off the EBV's. Many commercial guys now just buy off the paper not looking the bulls at all. JITs way of viewing them as part of the whole picture is correct but many have lost that ability. Many now only look at a birth weight figures paying no attention true calving attributes eg shoulder head and neck. I have heard commercail cattlemen saying they would not buy bulls with above breed average for birth for their herd because they do not want calving problems. How much performace are they thowing away out of their mature cows? Unfortunately many Uni trained mangers do not have "stock sense" that is why visual appraisal of cattle like shows is dying because these guys can not with out figures tell a good one from a bad one. JMHO
I have a Friend in ABS that rang me after the sale to offer me a ground floor package in the bull which I did not take based on his structure that was probably a mistake.