Irisih Enforcer photo

[oakview]

Attached is a photo of Irish Enforcer.  I finally dug through my stash of old magazines.  This was found in the 1981 July issue of Shorthorn Country.  I also attached a photo of High Time, a maternal half brother.  Enforcer was by Dividend and High Time was by Deerpark Improver 3rd, I believe.  Both bred by Tony Shultz.  I also found a photo of another bull Tony bred in that issue, Irish Pride.  I believe many of you have heard of him. 

 

[scotland]

still have Hightime semen, used him produced some great show heifers that went on to be brood cows. Bred by Tanya Schultz. He sure took them out of the mud and added wide pin set. sired by Deerpark Improver 3 out of a Deerpark Leader cow.

 

[Okotoks]

still have Hightime semen, used him produced some great show heifers that went on to be brood cows. Bred by Tanya Schultz. He sure took them out of the mud and added wide pin set. sired by Deerpark Improver 3 out of a Deerpark Leader cow.

Thanks for the photos Oakview! I didn't know Irish Enforcer and High Time were maternal brothers. We actually owned a High Time cow, Winalot Corrine 32R. She was a pretty complete cow, her dam's pedigree was mostly Ball Dee breeding. We had a grand daughter of another High Time but unfortunately we lost her to hardware just before she calved as a two year old. I really think anyone looking to add calving ease might consider High Time.
Irish Enforcer seemed to really click at Rocker Brothers on the Chuck O Luck Real Siver cows then those daughters bred back to Byland Eagle F58. The RB Red Eagle Y2K bull we used was this combo.

 

[oakview]

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say these bulls would be calving ease options.  I've used quite a few of the Irish bulls over the years and haven't had any real difficulties, but I didn't get any 70 pound calves, either.  I've had the best luck with Deerpark Leader 18th for calving ease.  Deerpark Improver 2nd was on the other end of the spectrum, according to rumor at the time.  We used him a little bit, though, with no problems.  Tony and Tanya Shultz are brother & sister, I know Tony the best so I give him credit for raising the bulls, whatever it says on the paper.  Tanya won't mind.  As for the photos, I hope people remember that when these were taken, the taller the better.  We got down on our hands and knees to take pictures from an angle that made the animal look as tall as possible.  I know High Time wasn't as extreme as he looks in the photo.  Some of you may remember Arrowhead Farms.  In that 1981 ssue, they advertised their herd bull, Spruce Hill Image, as being the tallest bull in the breed.  You don't see that in today's ads!

 

[GM]

Can anyone speak to what Irish Enforcer and Real Silver were like in person?  I've seen pictures of both as champions at shows, but never as mature bulls.  There's another pic of Irish Enforcer as champion of a show out there in a 1982 shorthorn country (I believe).

These bulls seem to be the base for all the RB bulls which are/were considered less "show" and more "performance".  However, the backgrounds are steeped in Irish and dual show type genetics of their era.  Is it more marketing/timing than anything?  Either way, they've been considered good (off and on) for over 30 years.  The only thing separating these bulls and modern show ring winners is Cunia, a touch of Chi, and time.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Is it just me or are both bulls needing some improvement with the sheaths? They look sloppy and too big for me. Just being picky I guess.

 

[knabe]

Is it just me or are both bulls needing some improvement with the sheaths? They look sloppy and too big for me. Just being picky I guess.

not digging em either. reminds me of the 80's.  the sheathy maine's from the 80's perhaps weren't that sheath, ie black gold.

 

[Okotoks]

Can anyone speak to what Irish Enforcer and Real Silver were like in person?  I've seen pictures of both as champions at shows, but never as mature bulls.  There's another pic of Irish Enforcer as champion of a show out there in a 1982 shorthorn country (I believe).

These bulls seem to be the base for all the RB bulls which are/were considered less "show" and more "performance".  However, the backgrounds are steeped in Irish and dual show type genetics of their era.  Is it more marketing/timing than anything?  Either way, they've been considered good (off and on) for over 30 years.  The only thing separating these bulls and modern show ring winners is Cunia, a touch of Chi, and time.

Time is a big factor because a lot of selection takes place over 30 years. If you take some dual & irish genetics and combine them with some beef bloodlines add some selection you will end up with totally different animals than if you add show bloodlines and select for ribbons. Look at Dover, Sneeds, Waukaru, Saskvalley, Muridale, Eionmor etc. and you will find irish and dual in the background but the selection pressure was for something totally different than winning National Champions!

 

[oakview]

There's a mature pasture photo of Real Silver in the same ad as Enforcer's.  I'll post it tonight when I get time.  I thought he looked like a very good bull, though his appearance is somewhat different than his pedigree suggests it might be.  From the outside looking in, it appeared to me that the Rockers really added a lot of muscle from the Eagle line and a bull I believe was named Fireman, a red Maine bull they used.  The Real Silver bull had a lot of muscle expression, too.  There's really more beef and Maine blood in these bulls than dual.

 

[Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR]

Tall! Tall...tall!
Very 80's early 90's...
High Irish and Maine on them and mistaked pedigrees too!
For me we could jump the dwarf 60's and taller 80's...from 50's right to 2010.

 

[oakview]

Photo of COL Real Silver.  He added some muscle, whatever the background was.

 

[kiblercattle]

Oakview thanks for the photos. real silver looks like a bull that could be useful today still.

 

[Duncraggan]

The length, loin and well rounded hindquarter do it for me!

 

[mark tenenbaum]

All you gotta do is look at the picture.and I have also seen a Shorthorn Country ad by Dugdale with a shot from behind-wide as a barn.:I had a little to say about real Silver before-that bull had alot of maine in him-and some dualxirish-like Harold Hoskins cattle-Deertrails cattle-and later Echo Dale Topdraft-THATS WHY D_TRAIL and Alden bought bought Top Draft.My partners Ed and Lawrence told me about Real Silver-and so did Dugdale-He"d be right there today-and outshone Rockers good Powerplant son overall that I think they got from Merle Welch-That bull was also real good O0

 

[GM]

Nice picture of Real Silver!

 

[GM]

All you gotta do is look at the picture.and I have also seen a Shorthorn Country ad by Dugdale with a shot from behind-wide as a barn.:I had a little to say about real Silver before-that bull had alot of maine in him-and some dualxirish-like Harold Hoskins cattle-Deertrails cattle-and later Echo Dale Topdraft-THATS WHY D_TRAIL and Alden bought bought Top Draft.My partners Ed and Lawrence told me about Real Silver-and so did Dugdale-He"d be right there today-and outshone Rockers good Powerplant son overall that I think they got from Merle Welch-That bull was also real good O0

Mark, what maine genetics were being used in these Shorthorn herds at the time?  Are there any specific maine sires that were prevalent on shorthorns in this era?

 

[justintime]

All you gotta do is look at the picture.and I have also seen a Shorthorn Country ad by Dugdale with a shot from behind-wide as a barn.:I had a little to say about real Silver before-that bull had alot of maine in him-and some dualxirish-like Harold Hoskins cattle-Deertrails cattle-and later Echo Dale Topdraft-THATS WHY D_TRAIL and Alden bought bought Top Draft.My partners Ed and Lawrence told me about Real Silver-and so did Dugdale-He"d be right there today-and outshone Rockers good Powerplant son overall that I think they got from Merle Welch-That bull was also real good O0

I will guarantee you that Top Draft was NOT part Maine. He was raised in the herd of the late Reg Daly in Quebec and he was as honest a breeder as I have ever known in this breed or any other breed. Reg was a true breeder and I remember a very good bull he had that was registered as being born on December 31st. Some people told him that he should have registered him as being born January 1 as he could have sold the bull for a lot more money, but Reg said he couldnt register him as a January calf as he was born in December.
Top Drafts mother was simply huge and was one of the best big cows I have ever seen.
As for Real Silver, he was definitely ahead of time. i am not certain what his heritage but I have heard he may have been one of the very first sons of Deerpark Improver born in America. Guess we may never know for sure what he was, unless someone can find some semen from him. Regardless if his pedigree was right or wrong, he was a very excellent beef bull. I saw him a couple times and I was impressed each time,.