Jakes Proud Jazz Son...Damn!!!

[TMJ Show Cattle]

Hey!! all you Shorthorn enthusiasts,check out the Jake's Proud Jazz son on "Showsteers",listed on All Sites page under J and J Show Cattle. He is called "SS Rock On 812". I would assume he was bred at Schrags in South Dakota. I was told of this bull by the breeder of "Ace of Diamonds"[my neighbor]. I finally found him. I know pictures can be misleading,and I thought the best bull calf out of him was in Oklahoma....This fella lives in Nebraska.If his picture is any where close to being true...He's one bad Dude for "Clubbies".....John

 

[aj]

I wondered about that calf. Don't know how big his dam is though.

 

[OH Breeder]

4142316 is his Reg.

Great cow side on this guy. The only thing he might be a tick shorter bodied. I have a couple cows built like that. Meat wagons but shorter bodied and stout. WOuld just lenghten him out a bit and make his neck a bit cleaner. BUT, definitely a nice bull.

 

[shortdawg]

I saw him at Schrag's and I liked him pretty good. I plan to produce my own version of him. I have one full sib to his dam here and one full sib in blood.

 

[oakbar]

You bet---he's got a real powerful maternal side!!  Looks like he could bring the best of the JPJ and Sonny/Augusta Pride together in one package.  I guess only time will tell, though!!

That dang Shortdawg bought the top cow at Schrag's last year and now he'll be producing a bunch like Rock On---sure wish I had deep pockets like that Georgia boy.  I tried to get him to drop that white beauty off in North Iowa but he's a little picky about who he'll do business with--no Iowegians obviously!!  Ha, Ha!!

 

[Mitch]

If you want to take a look at a couple of really good Proud Jazz Son's take a look at Studers Web site. I have seen both of those bulls and they are the real deal. Dale's web site is www.studershorthorns.com

Mitch

 

[TMJ Show Cattle]

I just got word on Rock On from a shorthorn breeder that saw him at Schrag's. He said he fall off and narrows down between his hooks and pins,and he was pretty wasty up front. Those dang pictures will fool us sometimes.Yes, the fellow that reported this knows cattle really well.

 

[shortdawg]

Oakbar, Sorry to report that I lost my new AP donor yesterday and her unborn Goose heifer calf due to problems resulting from a uterine torision or twisted uterus. Due to the horrible weather we had it had progressed enough before we figured out what was wrong that neither one made it. Fluid had built up inside the uterus and her body cavity. The calf was in the 90 lb range but could not be delivered natural because of the twist. We got the calf out via c-section but mom did not make it through surgery. To say I'm sick is an understatement. Cory was pretty tore up about it as well. This was only the second one of these my vet has ever seen. I still have her full sib in blood as well as the Sully AP Goose heifer but just when I thought I was starting to get a pretty good herd of those AP's I got my feelings hurt. If you ever have a cow with one of these it would be best to put her out of her misery ..... It was a bad deal ........

 

[TMJ Show Cattle]

Shortdawg, sorry for your loss.  Just wanted to tell you, I have dealt with alot of uterine torsions in the dairy cattle,  I learned the hard way, if she has her tail up and acting like she is in labor, but not progressing like she should, check her for uterine torsion, along with all the other things that can happen.  We have always had good luck rolling the cow.  The vet can tell you more about that, but the secret is finding it right away, withing the first few hours.  When they go beyond that, you are absolutly right, put her down because the trauma will do her in anyway.This is whay I mean by saying, I learned the hard way...I waited to long.

Carrie

 

[linnettejane]

sorry about your loss sd... :'(

 

[justintime]

Chad,I am so sorry to hear about your loss. These deals really hurt, especially when you have been dreaming and planning about what you are going to breed her to and what you hope to produce from her. Things like this can really knock you for a loop.  I know the feeling and have had it on more than one occasion infortunately.I have only had 1 uterine torsion in my lifetime, but a neighbour had one this spring. My vet says he sees a few every year. I always wonder how the uterus with a full term calf in it can flip inside the cow?

I will always remember the day that our herd bull Saskvalley Pioneer 126P died in front of me. He had been bouncing around the pen in perfect health and walking from one end to the other, for most of the morning. He was in a pen with a long run, and he was from one end to the other several times. I was in his pen shaking out some fresh straw for bedding and all of a sudden I heard a funny rasping sound. When I looked up, Pioneer was walking quickly towards me in obvious distress. At first I thought he had something in his throat as he could not breath. I quickly cut the end off of a garden hose and run it down his throat. It went easily. I will never forget the way he looked at me, as if he was asking me to help him. He laid down and died within another minute or so. I was in total shock! It is kinda funny that I am writing about this this morning, as it was two years ago today .

 

[CAB]

  SD, sorry for your loss. Grant, did you ever figure out what caused your bull's death? Brent

 

[justintime]

Brent, the post mortum showed he had a massive heart attack caused by a blood clot that moved and hit his heart. The vet said this happens more than most people realize. A person finds a cow or bull laying dead for unknown reasons. Some look like they were walking and simply dropped over on a trail.Over the years I have found an occasional dead animal that looked like it simply dropped where it was standing. I had one a couple weeks ago in fact. I found a cow lying dead with her head still in the bale feeder. Her head was free so it appeared that she just dropped while eating hay.

I lost one of my donor cows at the transplant center last fall in similar fashion, however in her case, she had an abcess from an old hardware related injury rupture on the wall of her rumen. Some of the puss got into her blood and she literally dropped while walking on a trail to the water fountain. The vet said the hardware injury most likely went totally unnoticed and was something as simple as a piece of wire going through the rumen wall and back again. An abcess formed anound the spot of the injury, and the body encapsuled it. It eventually ruptured and killed her.

When Pioneer died, the vet asked if he had ever had footrot? I said he had never had foot rot while I owned him and in talking with " turning grass into beef - his SP alias", he said that he could not remember him ever having footrot. The vet said that occasionally animals who have footrot, will have the infection move further into the body via the blood. The animal's body will try to defend against this and will actually encapsule the infection. Some of these will protect the animal for it's entire lifetime. Sometimes the protective wall will break and the animal will die very suddenly when this gets into the blood and hits the heart. There are so many ways a good animal can die. The poor ones live forever!

 

[CAB]

Thanks Grant. Sorry for your loss. These stories bring back memories of some of my losses over the years that I never could figure out, but I am thankfull for the memories inspite of the loss. Brent

 

[aj]

Sorry for your loss. :'(

 

[shortdawg]

Thanks everyone !

 

[oakbar]

Shortdawg,

Wow!!  I haven't been on SP for a while and when I do get back on there's lots of bad news!  Sorry for your loss---she was an amazing cow!!  Why is it always the good ones?  I'm not sure what happened to our Dream Girl cow--I think she laid down in a depression and couldn't get upright by herself but she's gone now, too!!  We had planned to flush her next month and now I'm rethinking my strategy for this year.

Grant, that had to be a gut wrenching experience when you lost Pioneer!  We've lost a couple of our better mares over the years to colic and its such a helpless feeling knowing that there's really not much you can do!  We had a mare who would colic each summer--we saved her twice and then lost her the third year!  She was my wife's favorite of course that we had raised from a baby to a really top pleasure horse.  We lost her mother in much the same fashion a couple of years earlier.  I also was the one who had to put down my brother's top stallion a few years after my brother died.  That stud was an APHA champion and my brother's pride and joy from the day he was born.  I told Bob when Tex was born "That's the kind we're in the business for!"  We campaigned him at halter across several states and watched Duke Carlson take him on be a top pleasure and roping horse.  Its not often you see an animal stand Grand at halter, Grand at pleasure, and win both the heading and heeling classes of a major show.  Tex did it in Sioux Falls and it was, by God, the best performance I ever witnessed in all the years I was involved with horses.  He beat horses at halter that day that people had paid big money for--some of whom went on to be well know in the breed and still had the athleticism to actually ride and perform with the best of them.    He also went on to sire dozens of foals that excelled at halter, pleasure, and other events.  He was named Sire of the Year by the MN Paint Association the year after my brother died!!  In the end, though, it was just old Tex and me standing in a cold, April wind  2 years ago while the vet gave him the injection.  I think we both had memories of all the good times gone by with my brother before his eyes dimmed and I gave him his final pat on the nose.  I can't drive by Tex's grave to this day without geting a little choked up!

 

[shortdawg]

Thanks Oakbar, I planned to sell a flush at Clemson then flush her myself a time or two before moving her to fall calving .....oh well ? Sorry for your loss as well ... Goes in cycles they say .... Hope it don't come back our way ..... !

 

[TJ]

Chad, nothing worse than losing a good one, especially one that you had big plans for!  I know it's difficult losing one like that & I am sorry to hear about your loss. 

oakbar... ditto. ^^   

 

[shortdawg]

I've just figured it out - Red needed a good Shorty pair so there they went !!!!