As I have stated in othe rpost I have seen him numeous times and I am very impressed with him I have seen 2 heifer calves and 1 bull calf very correct structure if you look on Joel Brooks website you can see pics of many fringe calves he has for sale. I have semen in the tank on him and will use him next year just didn't have time to AI this year.You can also call Ron Martin at Phildon Farms and he will discuss the Fringe with you very good people. Hope this helps you