Junior sires

[Okotoks]

We have two new junior sires, pretty excited about them. We wanted bulls with some length and good performance. One is white and one is red. We could have sold the white one to a commercial breeder already and he would still like to lease him. This white bull comes from Manitoba and is a March 23 that weighed 903 lbs. at Agribition on Nov. 19th with a 3.76 WPDA. On Dec. 10th after trucking to his 3rd stop since Regina he weighed 983 lbs. He is Herbourne B Manitoba Gus 13Z sired by Birdtail G Gus 1W . I only have a photo of him in the stall.

http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=CAN&_regnumberprefix=M&_regnumber=476373&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21


The red bull will be coming from Y Lazy Y Shorthorns in Montana. He is a son of Coalpit Creek Leader 6th. He was the highest indexing bull at Y Lazy Y this year. he had a 759 lb. weaning weight and a 3.72 WPDA. Besides being by Easy he is out of a good easy keeping dam with a good udder. Here are photos of him and his dam.

 

[justintime]

Looks like youu have found yourself a couple pretty good junior sires! I liked the white Acheson calf at Agribition. He is long and soft made with good growth. I can believe you could have sold him to a commercial producer as there sure seems to be growing interest in white Shorthorn bulls. I have had 3 commerical guys stop in and go through my bull pen so far, and all of them are wanting a white bull. I only have 1 white bull this year but did just bring another white bull back from our cooperator herd in Minnesota for uluru. I had 4 other guys stop at our stall at Agribition asking about white bulls. I have been trying to tell them that a good roan bull will add the roan color to their calves as well, but most of them seem to prefer the white color to make the blue roan colors.

Ralph Larson's Leader 6th bull certainly appears to be picking up lots of interest especially here in Western Canada, and I think there will be quite a few calves born in 2013. So far, I have only flushed 2 cows to him, both in the past few weeks and I am almost out of the embryos already. I saw Leader 6th at Genex Hawkeye West, in Billings, a couple years ago, and I really liked him. He is a very good bull. I hope to get some bred to him here next spring and hope to flush some more females to him and implant some myself. The bull you bought looks great! He appears to have lots of growth and length, and his mother looks like a good beef cow! This bull will be happy when he gets to your place as he will still be able to see the Rockies!!

 

[GM]

They look really good and seem packed with performance.  I'd be curious to see an updated picture of the white bull.

 

[Okotoks]

They look really good and seem packed with performance.  I'd be curious to see an updated picture of the white bull.

I will try to get a new photo of him when we weigh the bulls in January. Jacqueline bought a paternal sister to this bull last year at Agribition and she has been a favorite among our visitors this year (including AUSSIE  (clapping))

 

[Okotoks]

Looks like youu have found yourself a couple pretty good junior sires! I liked the white Acheson calf at Agribition. He is long and soft made with good growth. I can believe you could have sold him to a commercial producer as there sure seems to be growing interest in white Shorthorn bulls. I have had 3 commerical guys stop in and go through my bull pen so far, and all of them are wanting a white bull. I only have 1 white bull this year but did just bring another white bull back from our cooperator herd in Minnesota for uluru. I had 4 other guys stop at our stall at Agribition asking about white bulls. I have been trying to tell them that a good roan bull will add the roan color to their calves as well, but most of them seem to prefer the white color to make the blue roan colors.

Ralph Larson's Leader 6th bull certainly appears to be picking up lots of interest especially here in Western Canada, and I think there will be quite a few calves born in 2013. So far, I have only flushed 2 cows to him, both in the past few weeks and I am almost out of the embryos already. I saw Leader 6th at Genex Hawkeye West, in Billings, a couple years ago, and I really liked him. He is a very good bull. I hope to get some bred to him here next spring and hope to flush some more females to him and implant some myself. The bull you bought looks great! He appears to have lots of growth and length, and his mother looks like a good beef cow! This bull will be happy when he gets to your place as he will still be able to see the Rockies!!

I don't think we are quite as close to the Rockies as he's used to! Even though we have a couple of senior sires we are pleased with we are always looking for new junior sires both from within herd and outside. It's always surprising to me how many breeders buy new heifers but seldom buy bulls. The Y Lazy Y's calf's dam is really close to what we think a cow should be. She brings in the heaviest calf yet is still in great condition so she is what refer to as half wintered in the fall.

 

[justintime]

Looks like youu have found yourself a couple pretty good junior sires! I liked the white Acheson calf at Agribition. He is long and soft made with good growth. I can believe you could have sold him to a commercial producer as there sure seems to be growing interest in white Shorthorn bulls. I have had 3 commerical guys stop in and go through my bull pen so far, and all of them are wanting a white bull. I only have 1 white bull this year but did just bring another white bull back from our cooperator herd in Minnesota for uluru. I had 4 other guys stop at our stall at Agribition asking about white bulls. I have been trying to tell them that a good roan bull will add the roan color to their calves as well, but most of them seem to prefer the white color to make the blue roan colors.

Ralph Larson's Leader 6th bull certainly appears to be picking up lots of interest especially here in Western Canada, and I think there will be quite a few calves born in 2013. So far, I have only flushed 2 cows to him, both in the past few weeks and I am almost out of the embryos already. I saw Leader 6th at Genex Hawkeye West, in Billings, a couple years ago, and I really liked him. He is a very good bull. I hope to get some bred to him here next spring and hope to flush some more females to him and implant some myself. The bull you bought looks great! He appears to have lots of growth and length, and his mother looks like a good beef cow! This bull will be happy when he gets to your place as he will still be able to see the Rockies!!

I don't think we are quite as close to the Rockies as he's used to! Even though we have a couple of senior sires we are pleased with we are always looking for new junior sires both from within herd and outside. It's always surprising to me how many breeders buy new heifers but seldom buy bulls. The Y Lazy Y's calf's dam is really close to what we think a cow should be. She brings in the heaviest calf yet is still in great condition so she is what refer to as half wintered in the fall.

okotoks... your Rockies are a bit bigger and more majestic than Ralph's Rockies are.. haha!  That should help make up for the diistance difference!

I also took a few minutes and looked at the extended pedigree of the white bull you got from Achesons. WOW! what a pile of memories of some awesome cattle came rushing back to my mind. I think a fair sized book could be written about the cattle in this pedigree. I may be a bit partial to some of them, but there are lots of pretty good breeding animals that show up. When you go a few generations even further back, it is amazing how many times Highfield Irish Mist appears. I maintain that Mist was a once in a lifetime bull that happened to come a long at the right time. His influence is still being felt today even though it is almost 40 years since we imported him from Ireland. How times have changed! We bought him in Ireland for $300. and the total cost for a 10 day boat ride from Ireland and almost 3 months of quarantine in two different quarantine stations in Canada, was less than $2000 (and that was for Mist and 2 yearling heifers!!)  . Another female that okotoks will be very familiar with is Mandalong Roany 51st who was imported to Canada from Australia. She is the grand dam of Leaside Desert Storm. HC Baroness Lass 38T also shows up in this pedigree, and I still consider her to be one of the very best females I have produced, and I still think of her as a model female. 38T produced 3 National Champions here in Canada,one of which was a bull that was exported to Britain. A daughter who was also National Champion here, is Glenford Lass 11X, and she also was Reserve Grand at Denver for Benders.
I could go on and on ... and on some more. If good breeding bulls come from pedigrees that are stacked with time tested genetics, then you should have a great breeding bull.

 

[Duncraggan]

Looks like you have found yourself a couple pretty good junior sires! I liked the white Acheson calf at Agribition. He is long and soft made with good growth. I can believe you could have sold him to a commercial producer as there sure seems to be growing interest in white Shorthorn bulls. I have had 3 commerical guys stop in and go through my bull pen so far, and all of them are wanting a white bull. I only have 1 white bull this year but did just bring another white bull back from our cooperator herd in Minnesota for uluru. I had 4 other guys stop at our stall at Agribition asking about white bulls. I have been trying to tell them that a good roan bull will add the roan color to their calves as well, but most of them seem to prefer the white color to make the blue roan colors.
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JIT, wish I had the same problem with whites as you have!

Like both the bulls Okotoks, can't wait to see some of your own pasture pictures in the spring.

 

[Okotoks]

Looks like you have found yourself a couple pretty good junior sires! I liked the white Acheson calf at Agribition. He is long and soft made with good growth. I can believe you could have sold him to a commercial producer as there sure seems to be growing interest in white Shorthorn bulls. I have had 3 commerical guys stop in and go through my bull pen so far, and all of them are wanting a white bull. I only have 1 white bull this year but did just bring another white bull back from our cooperator herd in Minnesota for uluru. I had 4 other guys stop at our stall at Agribition asking about white bulls. I have been trying to tell them that a good roan bull will add the roan color to their calves as well, but most of them seem to prefer the white color to make the blue roan colors.

JIT, wish I had the same problem with whites as you have!

Like both the bulls Okotoks, can't wait to see some of your own pasture pictures in the spring.
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I think the demand for the whites is to produce roans which obviously show they carry shorthorn blood and roans have begun to bring a premium. We as well as a lot of breeders tried to produce a majority of reds for a few years. Of course when crossed with blacks it's hard to quickly see that the black crosses are part shorthorn and no credit goes to the Shorthorn breed. This is actually how some people promote the use of red shorthorns(solid black calves off predominately Angus herds) and this of course is the reason why so many breeds have gone black, riding along on the success of the black Angus.At several of the spring bull sales and the fall female sales roans have been bringing a premium in Canada. Hopefully it is a trend that will continue.

 

[Aussie]

They look really good and seem packed with performance.  I'd be curious to see an updated picture of the white bull.

I will try to get a new photo of him when we weigh the bulls in January. Jacqueline bought a paternal sister to this bull last year at Agribition and she has been a favorite among our visitors this year (including AUSSIE  (clapping))

Yep that's right picked her straight up  (thumbsup)

 

[vanridge]

Very nice! The white bull is going to add some size and growing ability to whatever he is breeding.

Our blue roans sold well again this year. We sold two white heifers and they mistook them for charlois  ??? and one roan heifer as a crossbred  :-\ If anyone knows of a guys looking for shorthorn cattle for their feedlot please let me know. It makes me mad when they sell a set of blue roans and they go well but any other colour and you get avg at best. Our blacks seemed to be selling low this year

 

[jaimiediamond]

After I had followed the white bull out of the wash rack I knew he was a bull!  He is very correct, and has a ton of length of spine.  I had initially thought of mentioning him to another program but I think I made a good decision in being selfish and keeping him to myself

Our blacks seemed to be selling low this year

 

I found that the black breds that were sold this fall actually sold for less than the reds, even though I felt the blacks in one particular sale had more overall depth, and quality.  I am not sure what this means in the long run for the Canadian market? As black is dominant it could be harder to cash in on a potential red trend

 

[coyote]

I noticed out here the red bred heifers sold just as good as the blacks or better. The simmental X red angus  seem to have lots of demand, is there change in the winds?

 

[vanridge]

I noticed out here the red bred heifers sold just as good as the blacks or better. The simmental X red angus  seem to have lots of demand, is there change in the winds?

I hope not  :-\ We really like our black angus cross with shorthorn. Not because of colour. We just think that combination works well together. If  blacks become unpopular than my poor 11 year old is in for a tough lesson. He just purchased his first purebred black angus cow. Well, at least we'll be just as pooched as he is  :'(  I also have noticed a few more simmies in the area, not the red ones but the traditional coloured ones. Charlois influenced cattle seem to be pretty popular at the market here. They tend to sell high.

 

[justintime]

I noticed out here the red bred heifers sold just as good as the blacks or better. The simmental X red angus  seem to have lots of demand, is there change in the winds?

I hope not  :-\ We really like our black angus cross with shorthorn. Not because of colour. We just think that combination works well together. If  blacks become unpopular than my poor 11 year old is in for a tough lesson. He just purchased his first purebred black angus cow. Well, at least we'll be just as pooched as he is  :'(   I also have noticed a few more simmies in the area, not the red ones but the traditional coloured ones. Charlois influenced cattle seem to be pretty popular at the market here. They tend to sell high.

I don't think there will be a major swing away from black cattle anytime soon, but I do think there is a trend here in Canada that is seeing good cattle of any color bring premium prices. I only have a few black cows but in the past 3 years my reds and roans have out sold my black steers and heifers. I have only sold a few each year, but it has happened 3 years in a row now. Good Angus catttle are really good but I think we are seeing more pretty ordinary black cattle not selling as good as they used to. And the Simmental thing up here is basically nuts!  Simmi cattle are outselling absolutely everything right now.

 

[Hilltop]

The red bull will be coming from Y Lazy Y Shorthorns in Montana. He is a son of Coalpit Creek Leader 6th. He was the highest indexing bull at Y Lazy Y this year. he had a 759 lb. weaning weight and a 3.72 WPDA. Besides being by Easy he is out of a good easy keeping dam with a good udder. Here are photos of him and his dam.
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If only he was roan!  ;D

 

[Okotoks]

The red bull will be coming from Y Lazy Y Shorthorns in Montana. He is a son of Coalpit Creek Leader 6th. He was the highest indexing bull at Y Lazy Y this year. he had a 759 lb. weaning weight and a 3.72 WPDA. Besides being by Easy he is out of a good easy keeping dam with a good udder. Here are photos of him and his dam.

If only he was roan!  ;D
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I was going to say you wouldn't find any roans at Y Lazy Y but this year I see there is a good looking roan calf by Leader 6th (thumbsup)
Also a photo of this calf's dam.

 

[Okotoks]

Looks like you have found yourself a couple pretty good junior sires! I liked the white Acheson calf at Agribition. He is long and soft made with good growth. I can believe you could have sold him to a commercial producer as there sure seems to be growing interest in white Shorthorn bulls. I have had 3 commerical guys stop in and go through my bull pen so far, and all of them are wanting a white bull. I only have 1 white bull this year but did just bring another white bull back from our cooperator herd in Minnesota for uluru. I had 4 other guys stop at our stall at Agribition asking about white bulls. I have been trying to tell them that a good roan bull will add the roan color to their calves as well, but most of them seem to prefer the white color to make the blue roan colors.

JIT, wish I had the same problem with whites as you have!

Like both the bulls Okotoks, can't wait to see some of your own pasture pictures in the spring.
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Here are some photos and video taken yesterday of 13Z and some of the heifers he is with.
Also a photo of his dam, Herbourne Ginger Maid 5W, taken last winter in Manitoba by Acheson's.
http://youtu.be/9dYdnPbUfnY
Herbourne B Manitoba Gus 13Z with a Diamond Prophecy 21P 2 year old
http://youtu.be/FVgz5SY2iXw
Herbourne B Manitoba Gus 13Z with Diamond May 20Y a Diamond Prophecy 21P daughter out of Diamond Regal Legend 4R's full sister Diamond Trudy May, and Diamond Yamka Baroness 3Y by Matlock Red Sniper 1U and out of Diamond Prophecy 21P's maternal sister Diamond WIsteria Baroness 25W

 

[Duncraggan]

Good looking 2-year-olds there!  Gus 13Z looks well grown, I assume that he is a yearling.

You have a great string of young bulls that you are using this year.

I am always impressed by the 'tightness' of your breeding programme!

I also, against my better judgement, turned out a white bull with my autumn calvers a few weeks ago.  Fortunately they are red or dark roan and all but one have never given me a white calf in the past.  He was just far too much better than his contemporaries to look over!

 

[RyanChandler]

13z is a quality bull for sure.  He looks real good!

 

[jaimiediamond]

I'm really pleased with the new herd bulls at Diamond.

Herbourne B Manitoba Gus 13Z was purchased in November at Agribition.  I saw him and knew he was special, it took very little convincing the rest of the team that he would work well over Prophecy 21P.  The picture and video above are of 13Z at 14 months on pasture with his girls.

YY Leader's Mission 219Z we were fortunate enough to acquire from Ralph Larsen at Y Lazy Y Shorthorns.  He is pictured at 15 months whilst working really hard since he got he had been turned out 2 weeks ago prior and he had already bred 20 head!

Eionmor Piper 23Z is our new heifer bull.  This bull is from Eionmor Stockfarm the breeders of Eionmor Mr. Gus 80C, Eionmor Marquis 88G as well as other notable bulls.  We are impressed with Piper's smoothness and length.  Piper is out with 30 heifers and is pictured at 14 months.