Kinda politacal

[RyanChandler]

When has the american public been able to govern ourselves? 


As far as the state of our economy, I'm extremely happy.  If you didn't notice, yesterday, the Dow's 9-day win streak capped the 7th record close. 

Before we had czars.  But I'm sure you've had some great socialist doctrine instilled in you.
Yep, Dow Jones is up from money being pumped in it.  If it was so great, why do we need all the quantitative easing?  Hmm?  And why are we in trillions and trillions more in debt?  Hmmm?  And why does unemployment still really suck and why aren't they counting all of the people who stopped looking for jobs?

You keep living in that never never land, the rest in the real world aren't buying it.

  Thats Dalla$, TX ...not never never land, silly.

 

[knabe]

there were two or three states that had state religions.

the constitution only bars the federal government from a "federal" religion.

in my book, progressivism is the defacto federal religion.

i hate history lessons if they disagree with my talking points.

 

[knabe]

When has the american public been able to govern ourselves? 


As far as the state of our economy, I'm extremely happy.  If you didn't notice, yesterday, the Dow's 9-day win streak capped the 7th record close. 

Before we had czars.  But I'm sure you've had some great socialist doctrine instilled in you.
Yep, Dow Jones is up from money being pumped in it.  If it was so great, why do we need all the quantitative easing?  Hmm?  And why are we in trillions and trillions more in debt?  Hmmm?  And why does unemployment still really suck and why aren't they counting all of the people who stopped looking for jobs?

You keep living in that never never land, the rest in the real world aren't buying it.

$100 - 10% = 90

90 + 10% = 9

90 + 9 = 99 NOT 100.

add in inflation, quantitative easing etc and people in the stock market are down even though the "number" is back to where it was.

i hate math, it's too difficult for the people who vote themselves other people's money to understand.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

When has the american public been able to govern ourselves? 


As far as the state of our economy, I'm extremely happy.  If you didn't notice, yesterday, the Dow's 9-day win streak capped the 7th record close.  /// Well said X-bar: Its still all a conspiracy by Obama-the radio show sensationalists keep sinking deeper and deeper into the depths of absolute moronic absurdity with thier finger pointing rants and raves when in reality (if only statisically) things are moving slowly to the positive-with not alot of help from rich crybaby politicians whose only real concern are thier lobbies and constituants.At least the agricultural community has the class to have intelligent discourse about thier differences of opinion without the no-class cowardly bashing. Im not political,Im not taking sides-but the President stood firm for the most part (SPARE ME THE POLITICAL IDEALISM IT DOESNT EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD OR YOURS) and didnt have a whole lot of friends-and he didnt suck up or take no sh$%%^&&*T from nobody-I DONT CARE WHAT PARTY OR RACE OR RELIGION YOU ARE-THATS WHAT AMERICANS DO-GET MY DRIFT OUT THERE????? O0

 

[comercialfarmer]

When has the american public been able to govern ourselves? 


As far as the state of our economy, I'm extremely happy.  If you didn't notice, yesterday, the Dow's 9-day win streak capped the 7th record close. 

Before we had czars.  But I'm sure you've had some great socialist doctrine instilled in you.
Yep, Dow Jones is up from money being pumped in it.  If it was so great, why do we need all the quantitative easing?  Hmm?  And why are we in trillions and trillions more in debt?  Hmmm?  And why does unemployment still really suck and why aren't they counting all of the people who stopped looking for jobs?

You keep living in that never never land, the rest in the real world aren't buying it.

$100 - 10% = 90

90 + 10% = 9

90 + 9 = 99 NOT 100.

add in inflation, quantitative easing etc and people in the stock market are down even though the "number" is back to where it was.

i hate math, it's too difficult for the people who vote themselves other people's money to understand.

Very true, can't believe I left inflation out.  Way too important.  

Also, what about the national housing market?    

XBAR, Dallas has been shielded better than most of the country.  Why is that?  Because it is in a very conservative state that isn't taxing the crap out of its citizens and dependence on the only sector of the economy that is being productive and that is energy.  Why is California so worried about losing citizens, how about the housing market out there, or Nevada, or up in Detroit where the tax payer spent billions saving them and they still had to file?  Which they should have done in the first place.  If your liberal financing makes so much sense, why is Detroit bankrupt?  Why is California bankrupt?  I do business in Dallas, and Fort Worth quite a bit.  There have been people flocking to these areas.  And that is a big reason you have business.  Has nothing to do with the Feds or your ideology.  You can't take a small piece of the economy in the entire nation in a conservative state and claim all is good.  You have to sample the whole nation, and it isn't good.  

As previously mentioned, look at inflation.  If your income was stagnant compared to inflation, you should be making substantial more today than you were 3 and 4 years ago.  If you've kept up with inflation, which is possible for people that are advancing through the ranks (most aren't), look at what $100 will buy today in groceries compared to 2007.  

Also, look at a very important value in the Dallas area- discretionary spending.  I can promise you that the average person of north Texas had far more discretionary money in 2007 than they do today.  I see it everyday.  I talk to business owners in that area that say it every day.  Some have been able to grow by catching a larger portion of the market, but individuals don't have the money they once did.  

 

[mark tenenbaum]

When has the american public been able to govern ourselves? 


As far as the state of our economy, I'm extremely happy.  If you didn't notice, yesterday, the Dow's 9-day win streak capped the 7th record close. 

Before we had czars.  But I'm sure you've had some great socialist doctrine instilled in you.
Yep, Dow Jones is up from money being pumped in it.  If it was so great, why do we need all the quantitative easing?  Hmm?  And why are we in trillions and trillions more in debt?  Hmmm?  And why does unemployment still really suck and why aren't they counting all of the people who stopped looking for jobs?

You keep living in that never never land, the rest in the real world aren't buying it.

$100 - 10% = 90

90 + 10% = 9

90 + 9 = 99 NOT 100.

add in inflation, quantitative easing etc and people in the stock market are down even though the "number" is back to where it was.

i hate math, it's too difficult for the people who vote themselves other people's money to understand.

Very true, can't believe I left inflation out.  Way too important.  

Also, what about the national housing market?    

XBAR, Dallas has been shielded better than most of the country.  Why is that?  Because it is in a very conservative state that isn't taxing the crap out of its citizens and dependence on the only sector of the economy that is being productive and that is energy.  Why is California so worried about losing citizens, how about the housing market out there, or Nevada, or up in Detroit where the tax payer spent billions saving them and they still had to file?  Which they should have done in the first place.  If your liberal financing makes so much sense, why is Detroit bankrupt?  Why is California bankrupt?  I do business in Dallas, and Fort Worth quite a bit.  There have been people flocking to these areas.  And that is a big reason you have business.  Has nothing to do with the Feds or your ideology.  You can't take a small piece of the economy in the entire nation in a conservative state and claim all is good.  You have to sample the whole nation, and it isn't good.  

As previously mentioned, look at inflation.  If your income was stagnant compared to inflation, you should be making substantial more today than you were 3 and 4 years ago.  If you've kept up with inflation, which is possible for people that are advancing through the ranks (most aren't), look at what $100 will buy today in groceries compared to 2007.  

Also, look at a very important value in the Dallas area- discretionary spending.  I can promise you that the average person of north Texas had far more discretionary money in 2007 than they do today.  I see it everyday.  I talk to business owners in that area that say it every day.  Some have been able to grow by catching a larger portion of the market, but individuals don't have the money they once did.  

 

[comercialfarmer]

Im not political,Im not taking sides-but the President stood firm for the most part (SPARE ME THE POLITICAL IDEALISM IT DOESNT EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD OR YOURS) and didnt have a whole lot of friends-and he didnt suck up or take no sh$%%^&&*T from nobody-I DONT CARE WHAT PARTY OR RACE OR RELIGION YOU ARE-THATS WHAT AMERICANS DO-GET MY DRIFT OUT THERE????? O0

Mark, that is one of our biggest problems.  Most don't take the time to understand politics.  That should be embarrassing.  There is a responsibility with freedom.  Part of that is making informed decisions.   

And yes the President has been very firm in his stance.  If that is what you are in to, you should be happy.  If you believe in the Constitution and 3 branches of government with separation of powers, or frown upon debt, you may not be so gleeful. 

 

[RyanChandler]

Dallas County iso Blue....Theres prolly more money in Dallas Co ALONE than in half the states in the country so your talk about voting themselves money is void.  The other two largest cities in Texas voted Blue as well.

 

[comercialfarmer]

You realize what happens when people combine anti-gun control and somewhat extremist religious views? People like myself get a little nervous.  "You can't take my guns! Put Jesus back in schools, and GIVE ME MY GUNS. DOWN WITH THE COMMIES IN WASHINGTON!" Would you give somebody what they wanted if they touted the same views, but inserted Islam in the stead of Christianity?

I'm all for less Government involvement in people's personal lives, but this "petition" is not the way to go about it.  It doesn't shed a good light on their (your?) cause.  I would get a group of calm, well-spoken people of this mind together and contact local government and the businesses in question here and just talk to them.  See what you can do, as an individual or as a small group.  Be diplomatic, be polite, and be firm in your beliefs. If you truly believe in these things, making a difference should be your goal, not shouting about some hare-brained petition with no aim or real message.

I didn't mean to tear your original post down, but please try to look at this from another point of view.

 

[comercialfarmer]

Dallas County iso Blue....Theres prolly more money in Dallas Co ALONE than in half the states in the country so your talk about voting themselves money is void.  The other two largest cities in Texas voted Blue as well.

So you live in Dallas County or do you just work there like most? 


http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48/48113.html

Persons below poverty level, percent, 2007-2011  dallas county- 18.3%  the rest of Texas 17.0%
Median household income, 2007-2011    dallas county- $48,942  the rest of Texas  $50,920


Yes, I know who lives there and votes for freebees .  If they had an impact on the rest of the state, it wouldn't be doing as okay. 

You wanna bet if the other blue areas have a higher unemployment than average? 

And yes, I do realize that many ultra rich live off the government as well.  It is called regulation capture.  Need I point out Solyndra or about any green energy loan (give away) or we could look at Buffet and the BNSF rail road shipping millions of barrels of oil that could be transported by a little known pipeline that would create jobs as well, except it hasn't been approved yet.  Buffet sure is "lucky". 

 

[RyanChandler]

Off Leemon Ave, you tell me.  I wrk in Collin county.  I would have loved to drive with you through Highland Park back in November. Your misguided assumptions would have been put to rest.

 

[knabe]

Dallas County iso Blue....Theres prolly more money in Dallas Co ALONE than in half the states in the country so your talk about voting themselves money is void.  The other two largest cities in Texas voted Blue as well.

Bad stats compounded by anecdotal evidence = no credibility but lots of votes from people who think the fruits of other peoples work is theirs.

 

[JTM]

Knabe, you are one smart dude. You need to send me a friend request on facebook. I do politics on there instead of steer planet. All I can say is if you can't see that the democrats of today are the extremists of 40 years ago, that they believe our country was founded immorally, our success is immoral, and therefore we need to fundamentally change the country and "progress" into something better which is by definition fascism, then all I can say is please study your lesson a little harder...

 

[RyanChandler]

Dallas County iso Blue....Theres prolly more money in Dallas Co ALONE than in half the states in the country so your talk about voting themselves money is void.  The other two largest cities in Texas voted Blue as well.

Bad stats compounded by anecdotal evidence = no credibility but lots of votes from people who think the fruits of other peoples work is theirs.

As usual, you spit data instead of information and I have no idea what youre rambling about.  Your assumptions are that those that vote blue must be the recipient of some entitlement program and thats just not true.  Its a blatant lie. 

 

[andholl]

I won't say Inflation is a bad thing. I will say that (Correct me if I'm wrong), in general, prices have doubled in the past fifteen years and our income hasn't.  :-\

 

[chambero]

Our country's laws and systems are set up to favor entrepeneurs and business.  If you are unhappy that your income hasnt doubled or gone up fast enough, its more a function of where you are on the food chain vs. the economy.  90% of people think things are terrible in years when the economy is at its very best.  Right now, US companies are sitting on more cash than probably ever before.

If anyone thinks there isnt discretionary income floating around Texas, you havent tried to get in a restaurant on Friday night in Dallas/Houston or wherever, or been to a shopping center lately, or been to a steer sale lately.

No, the whole country isnt like Texas.  We avoided most of the downturn because our real estate prices arent stupid.  And we were blessed with having money pumped into the state from oil/gas, and one of the dumbest governors ever who does nothing so he hasnt screwed it up.

Nowhere on earth has all sectors of the economy been booming at the same time.  Farmers and ranchers dont have anything to gripe about except lack of rain.

Folks quit trying to convince yourself that your life sucks. It really doesnt.  I dont care for Obama as a leader, but I dont go around trying to pretend my life is miserable because of it.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Im not political,Im not taking sides-but the President stood firm for the most part (SPARE ME THE POLITICAL IDEALISM IT DOESNT EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD OR YOURS) and didnt have a whole lot of friends-and he didnt suck up or take no sh$%%^&&*T from nobody-I DONT CARE WHAT PARTY OR RACE OR RELIGION YOU ARE-THATS WHAT AMERICANS DO-GET MY DRIFT OUT THERE????? O0

Mark, that is one of our biggest problems.  Most don't take the time to understand politics.  That should be embarrassing.  There is a responsibility with freedom.  Part of that is making informed decisions.    

And yes the President has been very firm in his stance.  If that is what you are in to, you should be happy.  If you believe in the Constitution and 3 branches of government with separation of powers, or frown upon debt, you may not be so gleeful.  /// Im not the least bit gleefull-having lost $2 million ,my cattle and everything else-and certainly can come up with less simplistic statements Re the value of the dollar=relative to this country-or the rest of the world. In fact-as we sepeak,there is a small start in the right direction to begin reducing the debt,and at the same time shifting the value of the dollar a little to the positive versus other currancies-which-LO and Behold,shows some positive gains when the dollar begins to perform-as far as the Chinese calling our debt-I seriously doubt it-we sucked them in-and thier economy is highly dependent upon the US economy to survive;if only on paper-which what most economies are these day.As far as the three branches ogf the govt ETC-you only need to see the currant approval factors of the US people-RE our so-called lawmakers and public servants-45% is generous Im somewhere at 10%-and if you buy the pap the politicians tell you about instant changes and a new and different tommorrow-glee is bliss right up there with ignorence.Yea there are amendments -the constitution etc-and you are totally defenceless without 16 assault rifles yatta yatta-and these issues and some of the others are manipulated and at this point run into the ground the same way our so-called public servants manipulate the Branches and constitution to prevent anything from moving forward. There is no new deal=perfect situation, and the glory days of a country that runs on cheap oil are gone.Here-and not so recently,in the rest of the world other than rugbeeter land. What happened to the old days when you made do;adapted-or came up with alternative ways to make things work? My simple comment was directed more towards the spirit of people who survived the depression,ww11 etc-The political syastem perse-has turned into a greedy manipulative me generation.:Yes I am quite aware that citizens have a right under our costitution to work various avenues to thier advantage-I just see the basic premise of helping our country pull out of a long term financial crises self serving :compared to past times.Even when our political system was more corrupt.<back then. O0

 

[Telos]

Chambero, I was kinda waiting for you to chime in. Don't always agree with 100% but this time agree with your point of view. I also live and work in Dallas and it is competitive. But remember when that discretionary income comes into play in a nice Restaurant on Friday nights doesn't mean they're not having a hard time. Food costs are high, high, high and labor is not that cheap. 98% of restaurants are still having a difficult time. Monday, Tuesday and Wednesdays in these establishments are still sluggish and Friday and Saturday's business are generally not enough to overcome. You have to make it on the liquids if you're going to survive. Meaning a high volume liquor business. The cost of producing that qaulity of food is extremely expensive and you have to be really, really good if you're going to make it in the Dallas market. Unhealthy fast food is still king when it comes to making profits in the food business.

One other thing that Texas has is one of the cheapest labor force in the country which entices these large corporations in making Texas a part their home. When your big, like the company I work for, it's all about maximizing profits which is different then making a nice profit. That is why these corporations are extremely top heavy and sitting on so much cash. I question how much these companies are helping our economy especially when many are headquartered overseas. Many skilled workers are just a few dollars above minimum wage and expected to multi task to a point that is not exceptable.

...And like you said it all depends on where you sit in the food chain.

 

[chambero]

Telos - i'm not accusing you of it at all, but the anti president and congress stuff on Facebook and elsewhere just makes me sick.  Most of it shows how intentionally stupid people can be.  I didnt like it when people did it to Bush and I dont like it now.  We collectively destroyed the Dixie Chicks over their comments, yet its ok for us to do it to Obama.  It made us mad when people criticized Bush for taking on Iraq, yet conservatives give Obama heck on use of drones.  Hypocracy drives me crazy!

The same people that gripe about not making enough money in this economy and companies making too much are some of the same ones that just torch Obama.

Our Govt spends too much money - but they spend it on us!  Every single one of us.

 

[Telos]

Telos - i'm not accusing you of it at all, but the anti president and congress stuff on Facebook and elsewhere just makes me sick.  Most of it shows how intentionally stupid people can be.  I didnt like it when people did it to Bush and I dont like it now.  We collectively destroyed the Dixie Chicks over their comments, yet its ok for us to do it to Obama.  It made us mad when people criticized Bush for taking on Iraq, yet conservatives give Obama heck on use of drones.  Hypocracy drives me crazy!

The same people that gripe about not making enough money in this economy and companies making too much are some of the same ones that just torch Obama.

Our Govt spends too much money - but they spend it on us!  Every single one of us.

I agree.

We live in a great powerful Country where it's  people as a whole are the least informed and as a whole are the most ignorant of what's going on in the World. Sad. My young co-workers who are from other Countries work the late night shift so they can study chemical engineering, genetics, medicine etc. Only 12% of students in Chemical Engineering at the University of Texas are from the USA. The rest are from Asia, Africa and Europe. Sad.