Knabe - San Francisco looks to ban the sale of all animals

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By Maria L. La Ganga, Los Angeles Times

June 26, 2011, 6:29 p.m.
Reporting from San Francisco— The first vision was simple and straightforward: To curtail puppy mills and kitten factories, the sale of cats and dogs should be banned in San Francisco, where the loving guardians of animal companions come to regular blows — politically — with the loving parents of children.

The ban was put on hold last year after animal advocates broadened it to include anything with fur or feathers. Now it's back, with a new name and a new strategy: More is more. The Humane Pet Acquisition Proposal is on its way to the Board of Supervisors, and it hopes to protect everything from Great Danes to goldfish.
Yes, goldfish. And guppies, gobies, gouramies, glowlight tetras, German blue rams. No fish, no fowl, no reptiles, no amphibians, no cats, no dogs, no gerbils, no rats. If it flies, crawls, runs, swims or slithers, you would not be able to buy it in the city named for the patron saint of animals.

Representatives of the $45-billion to $50-billion-a-year pet industry call the San Francisco proposal "by far the most radical ban we've seen" nationwide and argue that it would force small operators to close. Animal activists say it will save small but important lives, along with taxpayer money, and end needless suffering.

"Why fish? Why not fish?" said Philip Gerrie, a member of the city's Commission of Animal Control and Welfare and a coauthor of the proposal. "From Descartes on up, in the Western mindset, fish and other nonhuman animals don't have feelings, they don't have emotions, we can do whatever we want to them. If we considered them living beings, we would deal with them differently.… Our culture sanctions this, treating them as commodities and expendable."

The commission voted earlier this month to send a proposal to the Board of Supervisors recommending a ban on the sale of all pets in the city to shore up the adoption of unwanted creatures from shelters and rescue organizations. Commissioners are now looking for a supervisor or two to sponsor such an ordinance.

Snake food was almost exempt from the proposal. After all, pythons have to eat, and they like their lunch alive. But at a heated meeting, Commissioner Pam Hemphill questioned how it could be humane to sell live animals to be fed to other live animals.

"If a snake is caught with a rodent in a box, the rodent can scratch its eye and cause an infection," said Hemphill, who noted that reptiles on display at the California Academy of Sciences eat dead, frozen prey. "The snake can't escape, and the rodent might be stuck for one or two days in the box with the snake because the snake's not hungry right then.

"So it doesn't seem very humane to me," she continued. "And if the frozen [food] works, then I think the killing of the animals to be food is probably more humane."

It is legal in San Francisco to sell live animals for eventual human consumption, and the proposed ban would not stop markets from selling live fish, poultry, turtles or seafood for that purpose.

Rebecca Katz, director of San Francisco Animal Care and Control, said her agency supports a ban on pet sales — particularly one that includes the so-called smalls, such as hamsters, which are euthanized at her city shelter at a higher percentage than any other domesticated animal. Although she did not advocate for the inclusion of fish, she is not against it.

"We're the agency that receives the old, filthy fish bowl with the goldfish at risk and have to determine whether we can make them healthy and adopt them out or flush them down the toilet," Katz said. "These are the lucky ones. Most people just flush them themselves."

Jennifer Scarlett, a veterinarian and co-president of the San Francisco SPCA, notes that only a handful of stores in San Francisco sell animals of any kind and that the effect of a ban would be largely symbolic. But she said that symbolism, and the conversation that it raises, is critical in improving the lives of millions of helpless creatures.

"For us as an organization, we've identified the larger problem of online purchasing of dogs, and we hope this is an avenue to get to that," she said. Still, when it comes to birds and fish, "there's a lot of cruelty around where they are sourced from. We see the cruelty."

But Jonathan Ito finds the proposal to be far more than symbolic. To the owner of Animal Connection — who has sold fish, birds, reptiles, amphibians, rats, mice and hamsters for a generation — the ban is a threat to his livelihood.

"It would put us out of business and our employees out of work," said Ito, who believes there is "no cause and effect" to the proposal.

Pet stores, he said, do not cause overcrowding at the shelters. They do not promote impulse buys of small, cute creatures that will later be tossed aside by bored children. And they work hard to educate prospective pet owners.

"The animal-rights activists are trying to drive a wedge any way they can in order to get a foothold on changing the ownership of animals," Ito said. "They don't believe they should be bred. They don't believe people are responsible to care for them.… They are about eliminating animals as pets."
 

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Did you know that if you catch a fish in California and hook or hooks are not inside of it's mouth that you have to throw it back? 8)
 

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Obviously I can understand the need to curtail puppy mills, but not to keen on my rights being taken away one at a time.
 

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key phrase.

They don't believe they should be bred

this should apply to humans as well.  at least they are consistent in SF as the humans don't breed either and schools are shutting down and or the people who want to breed leave as the city is no longer friendly to those who want to breed.  i guess the schools will shut down and then the property tax can be used for something else besides wasting it on schools.
 

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I am all for eliminating the over run animal shelters, and the horrible horrible puppy mills. If making it law in one city effects the population statewide, great. Three only problem is that if it passes, other cities will follow suit, then where will we be. The state will have to start "consuming" dogs in order to sell them. Crazy!!
 

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This may be a good start in stopping the horrible pet mills and discourage people to breed for profit, at least in San Francisco. I've read about it here: City council group recommends San Francisco have total pet ban, and I must say this is a  bold move for them in fighting for animal welfare. But then I think it's also inevitable that the rest of pet sellers in other states will continue doing their business as usual. I'm wondering what will happen to those "responsible and legitimate" pet sellers/pet shop in the San Francisco if this law get passed, especially to the puppies that they're left with? Will they be required to give them away to people who are willing to take them?

It is legal in San Francisco to sell live animals for eventual human consumption, and the proposed ban would not stop markets from selling live fish, poultry, turtles or seafood for that purpose.
In connection with this statement, I think this law will have a difficulty coming up with clearly established categorization of a "pet". Some people have chickens as pets and some have it as a source of eggs and meat. Even if they didn't intend it for consumption in the beginning when they sell it, they always can make such claim and it wouldn't appear unnatural at all. Chickens can also be killed when they get too old or are no longer able to produce eggs, which might not fall under the suspicion of being inhumane as they are considered as consumption-intended animals. "Human consumption" are the keywords that blurs the fine line for them to be regarded as pets that are bred and sold for profit - precisely the kind of activity that San Francisco is planning to ban. Does it mean that if a certain animal is "edible", it's perfectly legal to breed and sell them? They'll need to make some clarification for that.
 

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The pet industry is questioning this recommendation. Pet stores would face a big problem with their business if ever the bill become a law. The area of San Francisco is being urged that pets be banned from being sold in the area. If the group succeeds, one of the most historic cities in the U.S. will not allow everyone to buy a pet in the city limits. Even an installment loan would not be enough to buy an animal if the ban went through.
 

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