Less well known Shorthorn herds

[beebe]

This is there 100th year of raising Shorthorns, I think you will find their influence in a lot oof cattle around the country.

 

[beebe]

Another herd that is not pampered is  Albaugh Ranch. They don't worry about show but are very practical cattle with very good udders and quality meat.

 

[Shorthorn-Fed]

You should make a trip to the great white north. There are so many great herds who are relatively “unknown” other than “oh yeah I have seen that prefix”. But most go unrecognized because they aren’t in the show ring. I could name off herds from Alberta to Ontario worth a very strong look for cattle ( sorry BC and east coast I don’t know enough of you yet) and most have their own program that drives them.

Russ

 

[shortybreeder]

You should make a trip to the great white north. There are so many great herds who are relatively “unknown” other than “oh yeah I have seen that prefix”. But most go unrecognized because they aren’t in the show ring. I could name off herds from Alberta to Ontario worth a very strong look for cattle ( sorry BC and east coast I don’t know enough of you yet) and most have their own program that drives them.

Russ

I'm actually just starting to look into going up to Crooked Post in Alberta. I'm not sure where I'd fly into, but any recommendations around there? I have time for a 3 day weekend up there in July, or I can wait until September and tour for closer to a week if needed.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

This is there 100th year of raising Shorthorns, I think you will find their influence in a lot oof cattle around the country./// Deertrail used Haumont cattle too -this really should be in the other thred but-Bartels Brothers bought a very spry but old cow linebred to a Goliath x Haumont deal-I dont want to sound pompous the pair didnt bring much-she wasnt big at all-maybe due to malnutrician when she was young- DEERTRAIL WAS A NOTORIOUSLY HARD ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL YOU BIG TUFF SCAIRY TEXANS OUT THERE-Plus she had one horn that grew back and with all that was a great looking moderate cow from range conditions and maybe 13 at the time-But she had JMO -along with Bartels A BEAUTIFUL white bull calf sired by JR WALKER-who in his very short life of 1 calf crop and one more heifer-really hit it with females but not bulls-  Long story short BARTELS registered over 60 calves out of this calf -DTR WHITE LIGHTNING 4015110 -and if they collected him Im gonna use him too-thats a link to cattle some of which would be 60 years old now-AND AS HAROLD HOSKINS SAID-"THE MAINE DUAL THING WORKS "(REITORATE OR add that to the other thread FOR ALL THE FOLKS AT HOME- LOL) O0

 

[beebe]

Another herd you might consider is Dan Deckert in South Dakota.

 

[RyanChandler]

Here are a couple cows I really like for an idea of the type I'm looking for. I'll also try to find the thread where I posted a pic of my best commercial cow because I can't find the pic on my phone right now.

You’ll either have to believe me or spend a good bit of money of your own to figure it out but in order for that cow (or anybwith similar genetics) pictured to look as she appears it’s going to require a feed bucket around her neck daily.  You see that long anteater head? Well that’s all that’ll be left of her after being turned out in the pasture for a few weeks.

Lots of good suggestions on here -with the exception of the milking shorthorn outfits- “OP asks about raising some show calves and milking lines are recommended  “

If you’re in Texas, couple guys, both of whom are running 100+ head of registered SH’s.

If you plan to lean more towards steers then Ahlschwede Shorthorns (AHL) is as good an option as I know of.  Thick attractive cattle that still have the ability to raise calves.  Talk about HARSH country.  Anywhere north of Texas is like a irrigated meadow compared to the environment these cattle produce under. 

For breeding stock/ show heifers: Blair Macbeath in Pittsburg, TX.  Real good dude I own a couple bulls with.  He has without question the highest dollar herd of cows who get ran like a commercial operation I know of.  At one point, he had more leader 13 daughters than anyone in the country. Lot of Improver/trump backcrossing.  I saw some calves out of his Trump son, whr Tyler, a couple weeks ago and they were very sharp.  Somebody that knows what they’re looking at could make a fortune buying calves from him and taking them to the Midwest.  I mean this guy has calves going to the sale barn that would be highlighting the majority of these show calf sales. 

 

[mark tenenbaum]

You hit the nail on Mcbeth-hes had great cattle for a long time-He doesnt seem to advertise much-But he seems to keep adding pretty high end cattle. I think its a question of what the poster on this thread wants to produce-That seems pretty unclear given the directions and extended time periods the poster is talking about. Its like buying a few straws of semen at a bunch of different sales all over the country-then realizing hundreds in expenses trying to get it delivered.  I dont think anyone is going to sell any steers for kids to compete with out of native cattle or even straight performance cattle-Unless they excel in a carcass show and arent exhibited on the hoof.Its a shame but there were alot of great functional-show  cattle down there and in Oklahoma that had to work in tough conditions Many  have dissapeared in the last 15 years or are backing way down. -Due to untimely passings or just the age of the breeders. People like Taylors, Joe Ferris (hes Angus now-he was a hell of a breeder) Plumtree, Robinson,Stevens,Littlefield Jett Gardner Bucholtz and a slew of others I called one pioneer (of sorts) breeder in Northern Texas who has been consigning alot to Oklahoma sales a few months ago and he said-"Im 89 and I'm gettin out of this deal". O0

 

[Jacob B]

To me thats the coolest thing about shorthorn cattle, there are so many different breeders going in different directions and there are so many damn good cattle for what ever you are trying to do.  I wish the association would put more time into the good cattle that arent just show cattle...think we tried that for a minute and he/they got shoved out the door by the show cattle people.  I love the show cattle thing, but dang, the breed has so much going for it other than just show cattle!!! There are so many small unknowns out there with tremendous cattle that havent been discovered by the amsses yet.  Look at the ignorance of the new people to this site...like ska, ...that person just doesnt understand what there is out there.  wish the association would spend more time on the little people that make the breed.  I know they dont generate the dollars and its just not good busininess short term...but long term with the big picture in mind there are so many others thing the breed has to offer than just show cattel.  mark has a great idea of cattle that can do a liitle of both....that what we need

 

[shortybreeder]

Any recommendations in the Pennsylvania area? I'll be out there next month for a Genex meeting, and I should have time to fit in a tour.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Marsch show cattle-and hes selling out good thick moderate cattle that show Has put a couple bulls on SEK or Cattle Visions dont remember which O0

 

[shortybreeder]

Well, I've finally got all the new cattle I was looking for this year! I've had a couple people ask that I update this post with what I found, so here's the summary:
4 KCSF Red Mercury heifers from Crooked Post bred to DRS Super Mario.
1 Saskvalley Curfew heifer from Crooked Post bred to DRS Super Mario.
1 RT Diamond Cutter heifer from Poplar Park bred to JT President
1 Saskvalley Outlaw heifer bred to Jake's Reincarnation  from Jungels
1 JSF Compass heifer bred to Bar N Ripper from Jungels
1 Muridale Murango heifer bred to PVF Finding Favor from Beckler's in Ohio
1 Saskvalley Stampede cow bred to Muridale Thermal Energy from Bowman's (pictured below).

 

[shortybreeder]

BSG Cathy, the Bowman's feel she is the best Stampede daughter they've ever raised. Pending how she performs for us up here, we are likely going to put her to work as a donor.

 

[Gargan]

BSG Cathy, the Bowman's feel she is the best Stampede daughter they've ever raised. Pending how she performs for us up here, we are likely going to put her to work as a donor.

From Rwagan Bowman?

 

[shortybreeder]

BSG Cathy, the Bowman's feel she is the best Stampede daughter they've ever raised. Pending how she performs for us up here, we are likely going to put her to work as a donor.

From Rwagan Bowman?

Bowman Superior Genetics in Indiana, Phil and Luke

 

[shortybreeder]

This heifer is a pretty cool breeding piece that I'm excited about. She's a Muridale Murango out of a McCoy, and she's super thick yet feminine and sound. Also her disposition is 2nd to none. She's bred to PVF Finding Favor (Leveldale Ringo son). I'm tempted to try a black clubby bull on her to see what we get (I get calls all the time asking if we have any blues around). Does anyone have suggestions of bulls they would try on her? Open to purebred and black clubby suggestions.
TIA!

 

[shortybreeder]

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[mbigelow]

I would breed her CSF LONG LOOK i have 30 of the on the ground now and they are great. BW are good and i like how they are growing so far. I will try and post photos soon recovering from surgery. semen will be available after the first of the year. If you want to go asterisk free we collected Saskvalley Endover and i believe Carl has calves on the ground by him at Saskvalley and likes them.  If going black clubby i would use I-80.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

That white heifer IS A DOLL STEVIE WONDER COULD SEE IT RIGHT IN THE PICTURE EVERY LITTLE KID THAT STARTS SHOWING-ON -NEEDS A CALF FROM A FEMALE LIKE HER PS- i 80 sons  are also good-AF Blue moon at J 3 cattle i 80 x the Mirage Doner, ALM Excel 80, full sib to the reserve champ bred and owned female maine Jr Nationals and 1/4 shorthorn-very good maternal all the way through,HES a 3/4 BRO to SAFE AND SOUND Watch me Work seems to do well,and is an outcross, SAFE AND SOUNDS are the best Ive seen over many types but hes TH, Sull Blue Blood and hes CE Too,Sull Classified has tons of winning relatives,and JFK Mindbender-the freak of them all as far as thick. hes the changer-though some are not as sound as others HEY MATT B WHEN  Long Look is available -Id like to see calf photos IN YOUR TRAVELS when things are better Havent seen a photo of him either O0

 

[mbigelow]

Mark, here are some candid mature photos and two calf photos.  Roan is a bull and red is a heifer. Red calf's dam is double bred JPJ. Roan bull is out of a ramrod jazz son i bred and goes back to the old GRC mantua marigold cow.