We've got 2 Limestone Dark Horse bulls in the sale pen. They were bigger at birth, but also 8 days overdue to some bigger cows. Wouldn't recommend him on heifers. The bulls got some growth, but are in a moderate frame. They have a ton of rib, and good muscle. Just adequate in their front ends...not nearly as freaky necked as he looks. They are correct in their structure, and sound on their feet and legs. I'd use him on some pretty fronted cows that need more power, rib and muscle.