Loving Shorthorns have catalog

[aj]

On their web site.

 

[knabe]

https://www.lovingfarms.com/sale
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/52cd84_ef179b3da69145f2aeb95113b1d508c9.pdf


Waukaru Optimus 4095
some serious ww 91, yw 116 epd's with high bw epd
same with jsf marquis

https://shorthorn.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=4209016

https://shorthorn.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=4169554

 

[mbigelow]

Thanks for posting AJ. It is really cool to see more performance driven operations.  Good set of heifers.

 

[beebe]

I don't pay much attention to epds so I need a question answered.  With fat thickness is less fat thickness more or less favorable.

 

[RyanChandler]

typically a tradeoff between fat (fleshing ability) and performance

 

[beebe]

So in my situation I want a little more fat would I be looking for a low number?

 

[aj]

Its pretty hard to blast this outfit about anything. First of all they have a lot of cows. They can produce some great ones. Good solid outfit. Last I knew they even weighed the cows at weaning. How many people in the world do that?

 

[Duncraggan]

So in my situation I want a little more fat would I be looking for a low number?

Look for positive numbers, the higher the percent ranked the better! They don't fall apart as easily when conditions are sub-optimal!

 

[huntaway]

So in my situation I want a little more fat would I be looking for a low number?

Look for positive numbers, the higher the percent ranked the better! They don't fall apart as easily when conditions are sub-optimal!

I always thought they did their percentage rankings the other way, leaner higher ranked top 5% more fat lower ranked 95%. I'm not sure there is enough scanning done to put much weighting on carcass epd's

 

[huntaway]

Its pretty hard to blast this outfit about anything. First of all they have a lot of cows. They can produce some great ones. Good solid outfit. Last I knew they even weighed the cows at weaning. How many people in the world do that?

We have the 12 years we have had shorthorns. Its the only way I've found to be able to work out % cow weight weaned.You might be surprised how many people in the world do.

Good consistent line of bulls

 

[Duncraggan]

So in my situation I want a little more fat would I be looking for a low number?

Look for positive numbers, the higher the percent ranked the better! They don't fall apart as easily when conditions are sub-optimal!

I always thought they did their percentage rankings the other way, leaner higher ranked top 5% more fat lower ranked 95%. I'm not sure there is enough scanning done to put much weighting on carcass epd's

Sorry, higher for me means >50, lower <50, we were not on the same page with this!

 

[Duncraggan]

Its pretty hard to blast this outfit about anything. First of all they have a lot of cows. They can produce some great ones. Good solid outfit. Last I knew they even weighed the cows at weaning. How many people in the world do that?

How many people don't do that?
At weaning, on WW alone, which is the better bull? The 500lbs one out of a 1000lbs cow, or the same weight one out of a 1200lbs cow?
It gives great data over the years without seasonal influences, in droughts the cows and their calves are lighter, the wean weight percentage still gives a good indication of the efficiency of the cow in a peer group, regardless of the season.
That said, I can recall two seasons that I didn't weigh the dams as I early weaned onto pellets, to save the cows in droughts.

 

[aj]

Thousands of good Angus breeders don't don't do that. It may be the next big thang tho. I don't do that.

 

[aj]

The lot 1 bull is interesting to me. How high will he sell dollar wise. Industry leading numbers but he is only eighty some % Shorthorn. So if he was bred to red papered female.......wouldn't the calf be red papered only with a asterisk? That brings in the asterisk question and here we go again on that deal.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

If there were true and absolute justice half of us would be in jail. An asterix isnt the end of the world per se-remember-That the Golds and Loving Cattle are WAY wound up with Enticer-who was not anymore a pure Shorthorn than Rodeo Drive was-It has worked out tho And hats off to Gary Kaper-his breeding is behind some of the all around better ones O0

 

[Duncraggan]

Thousands of good Angus breeders don't don't do that. It may be the next big thang tho. I don't do that.

I don't hold it against a breeder, many don't do it. I do it to differentiate my herd from the normal, sometimes wonder why I bother?
Over the last four years have cut my bull selling to disposing of the bulls I have used myself, plus one or two. At three years too, they don't fall apart at that age when they are overused!

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Thanks for posting AJ. It is really cool to see more performance driven operations.  Good set of heifers.///  Indeed-the lot 59 heifer looks to be the curve bender of the heifers-and she could produce show cattle as well JMO O0

 

[knabe]

If there were true and absolute justice half of us would be in jail.

absolute justice and all of us would be in jail.  not half.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

That would relate to Enticer and Rodeo having NO Shorthorn in them-pretty close O0

 

[huntaway]

I saw on a facebook post a supplement sheet with heifer pelvic measurements.

How are these measured?

With a range of 170 to 220cm3  and a weight range of 590 to 850 how is this used. Do you ratio weight to area or is there a standardised minimum. what would be acceptable.

If you single trait selected for large pelvic area what would you end up with, I would imagine larger cattle have larger pelvices in general.