Meyer 735

[Mill Iron A]

Meyer 735- What's your thoughts?

 

[simmyman67]

He is a PHA carrier I wouldn't use him...

 

[ALTSIMMY 79]

Yep exactly what the first answer was , wouldnt use him .

 

[simmyman67]

It's not worth losing a good cow to him when there are so many other good PHA free bulls out there...

 

[Mill Iron A]

I definately agree with the genetic defect discussion.  However, maybe I'm a little different but I consider any composite as a terminal proposition as we try to run just a two-way cross.  So if you were to recommend a terminal clubby sire to go on charolais/red angus cross cows what would it be?  Definately open to any breed or composite as it won't be staying around.

 

[twistedhshowstock]

He is a PHA carrier, dont use him on a cow that you dont know the status of or who is a known carrier. If you know the cow is PHA free you are safe to use him on them, 0 chance of his calves being deffective if the cow is clean.  My opinion if he throws a bull calf, cut it.  My problem with him as a PHA carrier, is I have always viewed the Meyers as more maternal sires, and I DEFINATELY would not use him to try and throw a heifer.

 

[twistedhshowstock]

Mill Iron where are you located and where are you trying to market these calves.  I would think if it was me I would go back to one of the smokey bulls. There are a lot of good ones out there. Troubador has thrown some thick ones. And while he is unproven I am excited to see what kind of smokies Choppin Wood will throw.  Choppin Wood is by far my favorite of the 2011 promotional bull class regardless of color.  There was also a thread on here a few days ago with a slicked out smokey bull on it that was pretty nice.  The smokies have been pretty tough down here in Texas lately, so I think if I had good smoky type cows I would try to keep throwin em.

 

[wyatt]

i would use naughty pine eye candy or milkman ive seen some good milkmans

 

[Mill Iron A]

Thanks for all the opinions, I am located in the Northeastern corner of Wyoming and was just trying to diversify the family's commercial operation.  Mostly Red angus with 1/4 to 1/2 charolais mixed in.  The charolais was an unintentional start but we have been crossing them and keeping females for over 10 years with amazing results.  One bull we have used with a lot of success is a Hoodoo Slasher X Cigar cow and he has done an amazing job.  I really like the picture of Choppin Wood and a close friend of mine bought a purebred charolais out of Kris Black's sale that is a Troubador son so yes I do like the charolais influence.  The reason for Meyer 735 inquiry is that he caught my eye and his bloodlines seem like he might have more consistency.  I would like to try Choppin Wood but in this area you might as well have 10 decent ones for $1500 as that would support the market but I just wouldn't know where to market one that was worth a whole lot more.  If you had the markey I would certainly produce for it.

 

[twistedhshowstock]

There is definately a market for good smokies down here in Texas..They are really really popular in the slick shows and even Ft Worth was taken by the smokies this year...if you produce one that you think is in that caliber let me know and we can probably move him for you.  Heck the Chi heifer show at Louisville last year was taken by a yellow heifer.
The HooDoo's do well to.  I agree the Meyers are pretty consistant, but like I said I have always seen that the Meyer daughters end up being better clubby momma's than the steers out of Meyers do in the show ring...but 735 is still fairly unknown so who knows what he will produce.

 

[DakotaCow]

I think its interesting when you ask a question about one of hundreds of TH positive bulls in the clubby world people talk about so many different aspects of the bull, be it the owner, structure, hair or what have you. However mention a bull that has been proclaimed the next maternal giant by the owners and happens to be PHA positive and you get more responses that shy away from using a carrier. In my book TH and PHA are the same.......something you eat if its positive or breed clean if you dont know, I have a cow that might be a TH carrier, I havent tested her and never will. Breed her clean for the rest of her life and I never have to worry. As for "735" well hes not going to be sampled here anytime soon, too many things about the bull I dont care for.

 

[twistedhshowstock]

Personally if I am looking to produce replacement heifers I am not going to breed to anything that is a carrier or anything, thats why I said I wouldnt use him if the goal is heifers.  I completely agree, either always breed to clean bulls or have your cows tested and breed smartly and your fine.

 

[hntwhitetail]

He has his place.  I think they have been selling a lot of sexed semen on him.

 

[kfacres]

Personally if I am looking to produce replacement heifers I am not going to breed to anything that is a carrier or anything, thats why I said I wouldnt use him if the goal is heifers.  I completely agree, either always breed to clean bulls or have your cows tested and breed smartly and your fine.

unfortunately, for the majority of us... some people prefer to have those defective genes present in their replacement heifers.  Something about better at making show steers or something?? ???

 

[twistedhshowstock]

Jody, unfortunately you are very correct in that. Which is why Lautner will be succesful promoting this bull as a maternal sire. Some people just dont care, or they have enough money that loosing 1/4 of their herd and calf crop is a small enough risk to take in the endeavor to produce that one once in a lifetime steer.

 

[kfacres]

Jody, unfortunately you are very correct in that. Which is why Lautner will be succesful promoting this bull as a maternal sire. Some people just dont care, or they have enough money that loosing 1/4 of their herd and calf crop is a small enough risk to take in the endeavor to produce that one once in a lifetime steer.

To go one step further, I think there are two types of people out there, those who gamble with double dirty matings, and those who just want the defect present.. I think there is a difference in people who do this, even though I feel both ways is wrong; but then again who am I to tell somebody what kind of cattle they raise, or how to spend their money.  

I see and hear about more single carrier heifers being retained and promo bulls, than double dirty ones.  I think it boils down to if you mate a PHA carrier cow, to a THC bull... you EXPECT to get a double dirty, shaggy legged, monster stout steer calf.  Not only that, but your mating options are endless, almost.  Whereas if you mate a double dirty heifer to a clean bull, most feel the calf will be worthless- even though the odds of double dirty are just the same, 50:50.  I think it's seen more prevelent in the people who want to hedge and get the dirty show calf, as opposed to those who mate carrier to carrier.  Even though there are plenty that I do not know about, nor care to.  

Now before somebody jumps my case, yes I have one cow that is a carrier of PHA, but she was made before we knew about any of these genetic defects, and has been one of our best producers her entire life; the only reason I found to cull her would have been her carrier status.  I'm sure the folks at Cargill, or wherever it is that our steers end up, don't mind having a little PHAC in that steak.  Also to date, that cow has never had a heifer calf-- maybe it's a sign I should not keep her any longer???  And to go one step closer to the fire-- yes I have bred with THC and PHAC bulls... But I'll be damned if any of their carrier calves were retained, and not butchered (heifers included).  I can also guarentee that the remaining straws have been disposed of, or sold to somebody who wants to propagate these carrier cattle.  

ETA- I wish I owned a share in one of the genetic testing companies... This genetic carrier testing, IMO will get far worser, before it gets better...