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I thought about this today while sitting in the dentist office with my nails dug into the armrest waiting for the dr. to come torture me.  I overheard somebody talking about thier dog's health and it made me think about how modern medicine has really changed our lives.  It has not just improved the quality of our own(human) lives but it has greatly improved the lives of other species of animals, especially our pets.  Sometimes it's hard not to laugh at the extreme measures we take to keep our beloved...or not so beloved pets alive.  Twenty years ago we wouldn't have dreamed of doing some of the things that we do now.  Sometimes I wonder if it's really the RIGHT thing.  I personally have an aging dog that is my constant companion.  He currently has to take over six pills a day to stay alive (congestive heart failure), he has to wear a diaper when he's in the house and I fill him full of doggy cough syrup narcotics so that he doesn't cough all night long.  He still acts like he's five years old but his body is a wreck and he doesn't feel any pain.  Sometimes I think one of us is crazy!  Twenty years ago pets in this situation would either already be dead or we would have put them down long ago.  So is modern medicine a good thing? 
 

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  Believe it or not, you can now buy health insurance for your pets.  That ought mess things up.
 

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How sad is it that the average rural family with ag related income CANNOT afford health insurance, but most urban dwellers can insure their DOG???

Why?  And I'm not voting for hillary or osama-obama either!
 

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  Has anyone noticed consumer prices going down due to the fact that our neighbors to the south not only get to produce our out sourced manufactured goods, but now they get special exceptions to our rules as far as the frieght industry is concerned. The huge freight brokerage companies have lobbied for and got it pasted so that the southern boys can run up here with their cheap fuel, not have to pay taxes on it, cut our truckers rates so that the big boys can get them to haul it cheaper so they can get richer while the owner /operators are forced to park the American trucks, When are the politicians going to quit selling this country off sector by sector? Greed is killing this country.
 

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Knabe, thought you may like this trivia.



Can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 500 employees and has the following statistics?


29 have been accused of spousal abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
19 have been accused of writing bad checks
117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
3 have done time for assault
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year Can you guess which organization this is?

Give up yet?



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It's the 535 members of the United States Congress.

The same group of Idiots that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line

 

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CAB said:
It's the 535 members of the United States Congress.

The same group of Idiots that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line

Just goes to show that we're not all perfect  ;)

I am not a fan of "modern medicine". I am a fan of emergency medical attention- If I'm dying get me to the hospital QUICK! But I feel more drug companies are putting us on a treatment program, instead of looking into cures and preventions. I try to focus more on nutrition.
 

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Modern medicine: It only made the human race another excuse to pass the responsibility to someone else.
 

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CAB said:
Knabe, thought you may like this trivia.



Can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 500 employees and has the following statistics?


29 have been accused of spousal abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
19 have been accused of writing bad checks
117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
3 have done time for assault
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year Can you guess which organization this is?

Give up yet?



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not to brag CAB, but i got it when i read the first offense.  here's my govt outrage for the day.  i sit on a resource conservation district board.  we were discussing red legged frogs and tiger salamnders last night.  Alameda county has mapped a significant number of stock ponds.  basically this is where those critters live.  if those ponds were not there, those critters would not be there in the same numbers.  the state has seen fit to require permits to remove sediment from those ponds and require permits for new ponds from SIX agencies.  the backlog for this is over two years as there are insufficient state engineers to review the permit backlog.  the rancher can't fill in the pond either so that the state won't come in on his land and declarea a federal sancutary.  not only that but they won't take the dang animals off the endangered species list if numbers are above what they would be without the stock ponds.  not only that, but a pond stops water, and when it's full, it's runoff is the same as if it wasn't there, albeit with an overflow spout that needs to be at the same level as the natural flow level to not increase runoff speed and needs a dissapater.  the state requires a permit to remove a noxious weed arundo because removing it would disturb the soil.  no one will apply for permits to remove it because again, it requires a permit from SIX agencies. meanwhile, it continues to spread.  government has no idea what sustainable means.  sustainable to me means soylent green.  how can it possibly be sustainable to have a dog which costs $6500 bucks and all the pooh, food, dog bags etc and this have basically NO regulation when compared to a stock pond.  how can the govt possibly want to control phosphorus runoff, yet not want to control immigration or birth rates, both of which are as unsustainable as social security, medicare, medicaid etc.  these people need to be thrown out on their ear and forced to live a sustainable life, but the public won't do it because too many of the population want something for nothing and are taught by are schools and media to demand it.  it's like giving a crying baby the right to vote with their vocal chords.  ok done.  i also have some information which i'll post later on a new program by the federal govt to regulate runoff and using taxpayer dollars to incentivise, regulate.  at first glance, i'm against it simply because the govt should staty out of paying people to do the right thing, and they should not be allowed to own as much land as they do. 
 

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Knabe - I live in a classic example of what you are saying. For generations my family has lived on this land and taken care of it by controling run off of excess water by seeding down problem areas. A few years ago they came out with a "watershed" program that would pay you for seeding these types of areas down. Here is the catch - since we were already doing the exact thing they wanted we didn't qualify, but my neighbor that farms to the bottom of every ditch is now collecting $70.00 an acre to seed those areas down. I asked what I would have to do to qualify for this erosion control program and was told I would have to bulldoze out the trees that I had planted 20 years ago, plow it up for 2 years and fence my cattle away from it by 90 feet. Reseed it and plant trees on 60 feet both sides of the ditch. Oh, they would cost share the planting of the new trees though. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the ignorance of our elected officials, obviously common sence is not a job requirement.
 

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SRU said:
knabe said:
here's my govt outrage for the day. 

just one

that's the reason you are the moderator and not me ;D

RW, we talked about the same situation, but i was trying to limit it to one (lots a luck).  kinda why i don't want gov't involved.  they just can't keep their hands off, and no one is willing to get rid of them (minimize them), because we "need" a balance between capitalism and socialism, always at the expense of capitalism. 
 

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ROAD WARRIOR said:
Knabe - I live in a classic example of what you are saying. For generations my family has lived on this land and taken care of it by controling run off of excess water by seeding down problem areas. A few years ago they came out with a "watershed" program that would pay you for seeding these types of areas down. Here is the catch - since we were already doing the exact thing they wanted we didn't qualify, but my neighbor that farms to the bottom of every ditch is now collecting $70.00 an acre to seed those areas down. I asked what I would have to do to qualify for this erosion control program and was told I would have to bulldoze out the trees that I had planted 20 years ago, plow it up for 2 years and fence my cattle away from it by 90 feet. Reseed it and plant trees on 60 feet both sides of the ditch. Oh, they would cost share the planting of the new trees though. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the ignorance of our elected officials, obviously common sence is not a job requirement.

roadwarrior, here's a similar situation, perhaps even highway robbery.


Developed countries should abide by the demands of the (U.N.) treaty and offer favorable terms, or give for free, the environmentally friendly technology that developing countries desperately need.

china said this today.  of course we will be stupid enough to do it at our expense and no reevaluation of china's currency, all the while increasing our trade deficit with china.  just can't get enough of those red yellow and blue toys tainted with chemicals.  i'm assuming they've never heard of capitalism, but i guess one could say if we are stupid enough to pay them, the currency substituted will be "carbon" and it's worth it.  doesn't this just really verify it's all about redistribution of wealth.  perhaps we should just elect the premier of china to be our president and get it over with.
 

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knabe said:
ROAD WARRIOR said:
Knabe - I live in a classic example of what you are saying. For generations my family has lived on this land and taken care of it by controling run off of excess water by seeding down problem areas. A few years ago they came out with a "watershed" program that would pay you for seeding these types of areas down. Here is the catch - since we were already doing the exact thing they wanted we didn't qualify, but my neighbor that farms to the bottom of every ditch is now collecting $70.00 an acre to seed those areas down. I asked what I would have to do to qualify for this erosion control program and was told I would have to bulldoze out the trees that I had planted 20 years ago, plow it up for 2 years and fence my cattle away from it by 90 feet. Reseed it and plant trees on 60 feet both sides of the ditch. Oh, they would cost share the planting of the new trees though. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the ignorance of our elected officials, obviously common sence is not a job requirement.

roadwarrior, here's a similar situation, perhaps even highway robbery.


Developed countries should abide by the demands of the (U.N.) treaty and offer favorable terms, or give for free, the environmentally friendly technology that developing countries desperately need.

china said this today.  of course we will be stupid enough to do it at our expense and no reevaluation of china's currency, all the while increasing our trade deficit with china.  just can't get enough of those red yellow and blue toys tainted with chemicals.  i'm assuming they've never heard of capitalism, but i guess one could say if we are stupid enough to pay them, the currency substituted will be "carbon" and it's worth it.  doesn't this just really verify it's all about redistribution of wealth.  perhaps we should just elect the premier of china to be our president and get it over with.

i thought you said just one today
 

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SRU said:
knabe said:
ROAD WARRIOR said:
Knabe - I live in a classic example of what you are saying. For generations my family has lived on this land and taken care of it by controling run off of excess water by seeding down problem areas. A few years ago they came out with a "watershed" program that would pay you for seeding these types of areas down. Here is the catch - since we were already doing the exact thing they wanted we didn't qualify, but my neighbor that farms to the bottom of every ditch is now collecting $70.00 an acre to seed those areas down. I asked what I would have to do to qualify for this erosion control program and was told I would have to bulldoze out the trees that I had planted 20 years ago, plow it up for 2 years and fence my cattle away from it by 90 feet. Reseed it and plant trees on 60 feet both sides of the ditch. Oh, they would cost share the planting of the new trees though. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the ignorance of our elected officials, obviously common sence is not a job requirement.

roadwarrior, here's a similar situation, perhaps even highway robbery.


Developed countries should abide by the demands of the (U.N.) treaty and offer favorable terms, or give for free, the environmentally friendly technology that developing countries desperately need.

china said this today.  of course we will be stupid enough to do it at our expense and no reevaluation of china's currency, all the while increasing our trade deficit with china.  just can't get enough of those red yellow and blue toys tainted with chemicals.  i'm assuming they've never heard of capitalism, but i guess one could say if we are stupid enough to pay them, the currency substituted will be "carbon" and it's worth it.  doesn't this just really verify it's all about redistribution of wealth.  perhaps we should just elect the premier of china to be our president and get it over with.

i thought you said just one today

My fault SRU - I opened up the can of worms - Knabe just went fishing!
 

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ROAD WARRIOR said:
SRU said:
knabe said:
ROAD WARRIOR said:
Knabe - I live in a classic example of what you are saying. For generations my family has lived on this land and taken care of it by controling run off of excess water by seeding down problem areas. A few years ago they came out with a "watershed" program that would pay you for seeding these types of areas down. Here is the catch - since we were already doing the exact thing they wanted we didn't qualify, but my neighbor that farms to the bottom of every ditch is now collecting $70.00 an acre to seed those areas down. I asked what I would have to do to qualify for this erosion control program and was told I would have to bulldoze out the trees that I had planted 20 years ago, plow it up for 2 years and fence my cattle away from it by 90 feet. Reseed it and plant trees on 60 feet both sides of the ditch. Oh, they would cost share the planting of the new trees though. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the ignorance of our elected officials, obviously common sence is not a job requirement.

roadwarrior, here's a similar situation, perhaps even highway robbery.


Developed countries should abide by the demands of the (U.N.) treaty and offer favorable terms, or give for free, the environmentally friendly technology that developing countries desperately need.

china said this today.  of course we will be stupid enough to do it at our expense and no reevaluation of china's currency, all the while increasing our trade deficit with china.  just can't get enough of those red yellow and blue toys tainted with chemicals.  i'm assuming they've never heard of capitalism, but i guess one could say if we are stupid enough to pay them, the currency substituted will be "carbon" and it's worth it.  doesn't this just really verify it's all about redistribution of wealth.  perhaps we should just elect the premier of china to be our president and get it over with.

i thought you said just one today

My fault SRU - I opened up the can of worms - Knabe just went fishing!


Weeellllllll .......... OK
 

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common sense said:
I thought about this today while sitting in the dentist office with my nails dug into the armrest waiting for the dr. to come torture me.  I overheard somebody talking about thier dog's health and it made me think about how modern medicine has really changed our lives.  It has not just improved the quality of our own(human) lives but it has greatly improved the lives of other species of animals, especially our pets.  Sometimes it's hard not to laugh at the extreme measures we take to keep our beloved...or not so beloved pets alive.  Twenty years ago we wouldn't have dreamed of doing some of the things that we do now.  Sometimes I wonder if it's really the RIGHT thing.  I personally have an aging dog that is my constant companion.  He currently has to take over six pills a day to stay alive (congestive heart failure), he has to wear a diaper when he's in the house and I fill him full of doggy cough syrup narcotics so that he doesn't cough all night long.  He still acts like he's five years old but his body is a wreck and he doesn't feel any pain.  Sometimes I think one of us is crazy!  Twenty years ago pets in this situation would either already be dead or we would have put them down long ago.  So is modern medicine a good thing? 
I am a modern medicine miracle. Had they treated me like they use to I would be worm food at this point. But, going forward because they experimented with me, they will be able to operate on others with what they learned. So, yes it has its ups and yes it has its downs. To date I have consumed 1.3 million dollars of health care. The first go around was a Million. Never in my life did I ever think I would cap out an insurance policy. So, at one time I would have agreed with ya, but today i am a believer.
 

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OH Breeder said:
common sense said:
I thought about this today while sitting in the dentist office with my nails dug into the armrest waiting for the dr. to come torture me.  I overheard somebody talking about thier dog's health and it made me think about how modern medicine has really changed our lives.  It has not just improved the quality of our own(human) lives but it has greatly improved the lives of other species of animals, especially our pets.  Sometimes it's hard not to laugh at the extreme measures we take to keep our beloved...or not so beloved pets alive.  Twenty years ago we wouldn't have dreamed of doing some of the things that we do now.  Sometimes I wonder if it's really the RIGHT thing.  I personally have an aging dog that is my constant companion.  He currently has to take over six pills a day to stay alive (congestive heart failure), he has to wear a diaper when he's in the house and I fill him full of doggy cough syrup narcotics so that he doesn't cough all night long.  He still acts like he's five years old but his body is a wreck and he doesn't feel any pain.  Sometimes I think one of us is crazy!  Twenty years ago pets in this situation would either already be dead or we would have put them down long ago.  So is modern medicine a good thing? 
I am a modern medicine miracle. Had they treated me like they use to I would be worm food at this point. But, going forward because they experimented with me, they will be able to operate on others with what they learned. So, yes it has its ups and yes it has its downs. To date I have consumed 1.3 million dollars of health care. The first go around was a Million. Never in my life did I ever think I would cap out an insurance policy. So, at one time I would have agreed with ya, but today i am a believer.

I'm no miracle, but modern medicine has saved my life twice, once in an emergency situation when I was an infant, and then in the form of open heart surgery last year.  Back in the day, I would have been dead before my first birthday. 

1.3 million...whoo...that is a big chunk of change...I thought I had alot of health care at just over 210K..good thing insurance covered every bit of it, or we would be seriously hurting.
 
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