I have to agree with DCC...I didnt comment the first time I saw this post because I was kinda thinking it was the same person trying to promote this bull. I also agree that I like him for a cow maker, but that is about it. From my experience and cattle that I know with those geneteics, I always thought they were far better in the pasture than they ever were in the show ring. As far as evaluating the bull himself, I think there is some product there, though he wont blow you away with his power. But what I like most about him is he looks to be sound, big middled, lots of spring of rib and depth, and is just basicly really soggy made which I really like in my females. And I like that he is clean, but beyond that I dont foresee him siring a lot of calves that take off in the show ring, he just doesnt have the right design and lacks the pizazz the showring looks for. On that same note, I could easily see this bull being the grandsire of some great ones down the road if used right and the heifers are used right.