New calf born today!

[Doc]

This is a ET hfr calf born this morning. She is a SULL Final Answer out a Bloodstone x Lucky Charm 255 TP cow. This is the cow that won the IL Fair Horned show 2 yrs ago for me & Tim Brandenburg. I took the pics real quick this afternoon. The blue roan is her recip momma & the last pic is of the donor cow as a 1 1/2 month old calf. They look a lot alike. Now if this one will turn out as good.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

That recip-is WAY good herself -like her better than the dam of the calf (lol) Know it was a bad picture

 

[Doc]

That recip-is WAY good herself -like her better than the dam of the calf (lol) Know it was a bad picture

The momma is pretty good actually( at least I think so).
The recip is a Calberta Black Impact dtr out of a Shorthorn x Beef Friesen cross that I bought at Taccoma Cattle Comp. dispersal. I've got a guy dying to flush her to WMW.

 

[DL]

This is a ET hfr calf born this morning. She is a SULL Final Answer out a Bloodstone x Lucky Charm 255 TP cow. This is the cow that won the IL Fair Horned show 2 yrs ago for me & Tim Brandenburg. I took the pics real quick this afternoon. The blue roan is her recip momma & the last pic is of the donor cow as a 1 1/2 month old calf. They look a lot alike. Now if this one will turn out as good.

Funny I looked at the blue roan and thought - Maiine - Impact - nice cow - nice baby - nice dam - it's like the trifecta 

 

[Warrior10]

My first thought was WHY IS THAT COW JUST A RECIP!!

 

[aandtcattle]

I realize this is an ET calf we are looking at here, but just out of curiosity, what did it weigh?  Looks big

 

[Doc]

I realize this is an ET calf we are looking at here, but just out of curiosity, what did it weigh?  Looks big
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It weighed 93 lbs . It was 5 days late.

 

[Doc]

This is a ET hfr calf born this morning. She is a SULL Final Answer out a Bloodstone x Lucky Charm 255 TP cow. This is the cow that won the IL Fair Horned show 2 yrs ago for me & Tim Brandenburg. I took the pics real quick this afternoon. The blue roan is her recip momma & the last pic is of the donor cow as a 1 1/2 month old calf. They look a lot alike. Now if this one will turn out as good.

Funny I looked at the blue roan and thought - Maiine - Impact - nice cow - nice baby - nice dam - it's like the trifecta 

The recip has had a couple of good calves herself. Her 1st calf was a hfr by Thick as a Brick , which was a Huberdale Mastercharge son out of RSP Miss Heather. A Maine cow that was I think 2 time Nat'l Champion & like undefeated 32 times or something. She's had a few ET's for me & 1 black steer by a full brother to Milestone Sabre that I had that went to GA.

 

[jd720]

She looks real nice almost like a clone of her momma.

 

[RyanChandler]

I realize this is an ET calf we are looking at here, but just out of curiosity, what did it weigh?  Looks big
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It weighed 93 lbs . It was 5 days late.

Looks like a cloan of her momma! Ive got a JSF T4 heifer that is 6 days late.  I pray every night it doesn't (try to) come out 93lbs.   (angel)

 

[Doc]

I realize this is an ET calf we are looking at here, but just out of curiosity, what did it weigh?  Looks big
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It weighed 93 lbs . It was 5 days late.

Looks like a cloan of her momma! Ive got a JSF T4 heifer that is 6 days late.  I pray every night it doesn't (try to) come out 93lbs.   (angel)

Well , I hope your prayers are answered. If you are implying that I assisted this cow in calving , you are wrong. But if I can go to bed at 10:30 & no calf & get up at 5:00 & have a calf running around that looks like this calf ,I'll take them every day. Once again, different cows & calves work for different people & regions. If I had to have all my calves come out as solid red, 60 lb, 4.0 frame calves, I would change breeds. Because around here I would end up taking all of them to the yards & if I'm going to do that , then they might as well be black so I can get a premium. But if that is what works for you & you make money off them or whatever your goal is , more power to you. The silver lining in this , is that you & I won't ever have to worry about bidding on the same animal & driving the price up.  ;D JMHO.

 

[rackranch]

Do you know how/where I can get some bloodstone semen?

Thanks

 

[RyanChandler]

You must have me confused with someone else as I'm not affiliated with any 'mafias' nor do I endorse 4 frame cattle. I have 24 shorties of which only 3 are solid red.  I didn't make any implications - I'm pretty straight forward actually, but if you want to bring BWs up, I'll be the first to tell you that there's no place in a British breed for a 94lb female.  Plain and simple.  And as far as bidding goes your probably right. Any thing that gets my bid will have a bw south of 90 and an extremely sound udder.  Keep us updated on the calf.

 

[Doc]

You must have me confused with someone else as I'm not affiliated with any 'mafias' nor do I endorse 4 frame cattle. I have 24 shorties of which only 3 are solid red.  I didn't make any implications - I'm pretty straight forward actually, but if you want to bring BWs up, I'll be the first to tell you that there's no place in a British breed for a 94lb female.  Plain and simple.  And as far as bidding goes your probably right. Any thing that gets my bid will have a bw south of 90 and an extremely sound udder.  Keep us updated on the calf.

Good thing she only weighed 93 lbs.  ;D I was speaking in general terms as far as the red & 4 frame cattle go. I knew that it would be only a matter of time before she would be criticized for being over 80 or 85 lbs. Like I said , 93 lbs doesn't bother me out of a cow. 83 lbs doesn't bother me. 63 lbs out of a cow gives me concern. I feel like they have too far to go to catch up. For there to be no place in a British breed for a female over 94 lbs, there sure is a lot of breeds out there besides Shorties that wouldn't meet your criteria. Once again you raise what your area can handle & what you can sell. I will do the same. That way we are both happy.  By the way , is that a Mary cow in your avatar?

 

[Dale]

We had a Quane daughter of a Dividend cow--daughter weighed 120 lb.  That's big, but Shorthorn cows have a large pelvis, so the heifer was born without using chains or pullers.  The Quane grew big and thick and had bone like a Simmy.  One major breeder tried to buy her--another attempted to flush her.  In our herd we had many descendants, and there has not been any calving difficulty.  A couple of generations down, we had a W. Carnegie daughter that was very moderate in birth weights and size.  If you like them more moderate, select for that.

Be careful not to throw out the baby with the bathwater.  We've done serious work to moderate birth weights, but sometimes selection is more art than science.  Let's keep the big pelvis that makes Shorty cows calve easier than the other breeds I've dealt with. 

Sorry, Doc, if this hijacks your thread.

 

[shortdawg]

Nice calf ! All 93 lbs of her !

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Although I am not sure of the cafs age in the picture-Ive had calves out of Professor and very moderate Impact-shaker type cows that wieghed 110-and werent anywhere near the size of that calf-to look at them youd guess 75-80 pounds max.She would have been 120 or more-that size with the aforementioned breeding-but you can tell-she probably came out kinda large framed and stringy-which didnt present a problem for that cow-who really oughta be a doner herself-hate to say it-shes alot higher quality than some of the Shorthorns Ive seen. There is alot more to a newborn Shorthorn than some of the other breeds-Angus and Charolais come to mind. Its frustrating when those other stringy little rats develope into such stout packages. That being said-I really dont think 93 pounds is out of line for a Shorthorn calf-they are genetically designed that way-with alot of the popular breeding.Also-very good point on the pelvic issue-I remember the debates long ago on some of the Steermaker daughters etc. O0

 

[Doc]

Although I am not sure of the cafs age in the picture-

Mark, If you're talking about the calf in the top 2 pics. She was born between 10:30 pm & 5:00 am. I took those pics about 4:00 pm , so she was probably about 12 hours old.
The pic of her dam that is the last pic, was taken when she was probably about 1 1/2 months old. She was born the 1st part of March & with the amount of green in the pic , I'm geussing it was taken middle to end of April.  Her dam had a bwt of 84 lbs.

 

[Okotoks]

(clapping) Looks like a future show heifer to me.

A lot of Shorthorns up here are crossed with Charolais and Simmental so it would really concern me if a british breed cow couldn't pop out a 93 lb. heifer calf!

 

[RyanChandler]

By the way , is that a Mary cow in your avatar?

you got me ,Doc what can I say.. : I still don't think it helps commercial acceptability.