Northern Improvement x Hard Core granddaughter

[nck21]

This hfr was born in February out of a first calf heifer. Tell me what you think of her.

 

[ZNT]

This hfr was born in February out of a first calf heifer. Tell me what you think of her.

I'd like to see her looking straight forward.  With her head turned toward the camera, she looks short necked and common fronted, but that may not be the case.  I like her pedigree.

 

[nck21]

I agree this shot does make her look short necked but she has nice extension up front.

 

[wyatt]

did you have to assist the heifer calving and looks good bodied hope mine will look like that bred him to a drifter heifer of mine hope it turns out good

 

[nck21]

did you have to assist the heifer calving and looks good bodied hope mine will look like that bred him to a drifter heifer of mine hope it turns out good

Yes we did have to assist her calving. We plan on keeping her. I think her dam could be a good producer for us.

 

[BadgerFan]

did you have to assist the heifer calving and looks good bodied hope mine will look like that bred him to a drifter heifer of mine hope it turns out good

Yes we did have to assist her calving. We plan on keeping her. I think her dam could be a good producer for us.

Do you enjoy pulling calves?  That's a great way to create more problems.  If I help one (can only think of 2 in the last five years), it won't stay on the farm.

 

[BadgerFan]

I agree this shot does make her look short necked but she has nice extension up front.

I thought extension meant the same as long fronted.  Please enlighten me.

 

[kfacres]

I agree this shot does make her look short necked but she has nice extension up front.

I thought extension meant the same as long fronted.  Please enlighten me.

I feel the same way.. but beings the owner posted this comment, I think 'they' were refering to in the picture the heifer looks short fronted, but in real life, she's got plenty of extention.

 

[nck21]

did you have to assist the heifer calving and looks good bodied hope mine will look like that bred him to a drifter heifer of mine hope it turns out good

Yes we did have to assist her calving. We plan on keeping her. I think her dam could be a good producer for us.

Do you enjoy pulling calves?  That's a great way to create more problems.  If I help one (can only think of 2 in the last five years), it won't stay on the farm.

No I don't enjoy pulling calves but like I said she was a first calf heifer and they are going to need some help every now and then.

 

[BadgerFan]

did you have to assist the heifer calving and looks good bodied hope mine will look like that bred him to a drifter heifer of mine hope it turns out good

Yes we did have to assist her calving. We plan on keeping her. I think her dam could be a good producer for us.

Do you enjoy pulling calves?  That's a great way to create more problems.  If I help one (can only think of 2 in the last five years), it won't stay on the farm.

No I don't enjoy pulling calves but like I said she was a first calf heifer and they are going to need some help every now and then.

the more heifers you keep that had to be assisted, the more you'll need to help in the future.

 

[shortii]

That's not always true. 

did you have to assist the heifer calving and looks good bodied hope mine will look like that bred him to a drifter heifer of mine hope it turns out good

Yes we did have to assist her calving. We plan on keeping her. I think her dam could be a good producer for us.

Do you enjoy pulling calves?  That's a great way to create more problems.  If I help one (can only think of 2 in the last five years), it won't stay on the farm.

No I don't enjoy pulling calves but like I said she was a first calf heifer and they are going to need some help every now and then.

the more heifers you keep that had to be assisted, the more you'll need to help in the future.

 

[Gargan]

did you have to assist the heifer calving and looks good bodied hope mine will look like that bred him to a drifter heifer of mine hope it turns out good

Yes we did have to assist her calving. We plan on keeping her. I think her dam could be a good producer for us.

Do you enjoy pulling calves?  That's a great way to create more problems.  If I help one (can only think of 2 in the last five years), it won't stay on the farm.

No I don't enjoy pulling calves but like I said she was a first calf heifer and they are going to need some help every now and then.

the more heifers you keep that had to be assisted, the more you'll need to help in the future.

I dont mind pulling calves either!! sell me some of the good ones u have to pull.. a couple of my highest sellers ever were pulled.

 

[nck21]

We go by birth weight and head size. Wyatt, the other northern improvement we have had came unassisted.

 

[wyatt]

well she is an ali grandaughter so it should be easy hopin its a good cross she is bred to him or a lut son hopeing northern improvement tho like his calves they look good

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Badger Fan-As far as helping a first calver-if you breed them differently next time and they have a good one on thier own-then all the better.Most of my cattle are bred for calving ease-and there hasnt been a pull for along time. That wasnt allways the case,and I bred it out of them. I dont prolong things on an ex show hiefer or the occaisional problem,or throw away a good one for that reason.-by the way-how many champions have you produced? O0

 

[vc]

It is easy to make cull decisions on the internet, without knowing any other outside information, what was the environmental factors, was the heifer over fed prior to calving, was it an odd presentation during calving, did she lay down on a slope the wrong way? If it was an easy pull, than try it again if they were contemplating C-section thin yes, cull her.

 

[BadgerFan]

Badger Fan-As far as helping a first calver-if you breed them differently next time and they have a good one on thier own-then all the better.Most of my cattle are bred for calving ease-and there hasnt been a pull for along time. That wasnt allways the case,and I bred it out of them. I dont prolong things on an ex show hiefer or the occaisional problem,or throw away a good one for that reason.-by the way-how many champions have you produced? O0

Mark, I feel inclined to respond even though this is surely beating the deceased pony.

In response to the question how many champions have I produced...a few, though we raise few club calves. No Denver champs, but our customers are always happy with their purchases and we make fair money doing it.  I assume you're referring to show cattle though our main focus is on functional breeding stock that will make the commercial man profit.  In that market we've had good success and have been rewarded fine.  And I thank you for asking. 

I guess I'll now sit back and learn about why raising cattle that require assistance to reproduce is a good idea.  Let the thread continue.    (lol)

 

[wyatt]

the heifer may not have needed assistance as posted before there could have been something wrong with the way she was positioned maybe the heifer has big birth weight in her pedigree or open shouldered big boned or maybe it was over fed but if any of this was the problem some could not be prevented and ether way she produce a good calf the farm i just went to Had a 165 lb heat wave shorthorn cross that was a c section the calf IMO is worth over 10,000 took 3 pepole to get it out still and they are gonna flush the cow to heat wave this fall ps the calf is the thickest coolest colored most feminine heifer ive seen with about a 3 ft wide but perfect structure and most hair ive seen this year and a nice temperament and the cow was just bought a couple years ago haha

 

[chambero]

This has been beat to death on here many times in the past, but calving ease is overemphasized in the busines.  If you calve out enough heifers, you are going to have to pull some - even if you breed them to longhorns (which is pretty commonly done by commercial cattleman in the south).  Plenty of assisted births on heifers have nothing to do with small pelvic size or too large/wrong shaped calves. 

We calve 50-60 heifers per year, probably have to help 10 +/- to some degree.  It's been two years since I've had to assist a single cow( our cows used to be those heifers).

 

[farmin female]

I agree with Chambero.  Calving ease is over rated and dang sure over estimated!  Sometimes you have to pull a calf.  Doesn't mean much in the long term.  Most of those heifers go on to be good productive cows with no problem.  Can't think of any cows that we had to sell because of calving problems and 99% of our replacements we raise.  And yes, we do have to assist once in a while.

By the way, nice heifer.  I would keep her.