Northern Shorthorns Herd Bull

[oakview]

I was wondering if the sellers of Super Flag retained an in herd interest when he was sold.  If so, then his actual value would be lowered by the share percentage, wouldn't it?  Did he actually pay in cash?  The same goes for Super Elephant, I suppose.  Did either bull sire an adequate number of registered calves in each owner's herds?  I just know it wouldn't make sense for a commercial buyer to pay over market price for any bull, let alone a share of a bull....Just enjoying opening an "old wound" on a snowy day!  Funny how some of these threads continue to get so far off the original topic and occasionally become personal complaint boards.  I, for one, enjoy seeing photos of cattle I probably won't have an opportunity to see in person, regardless of who puts them on or their purpose in doing so.  Keep 'em coming!  By the way, I have my pedigree back to John Howland, who came over on the Mayflower.  As they neared the shore, he was washed overboard, along with others, and was the only one saved.  There has been some debate from my friends as to whether that was good or bad.  He was the last surviving male that came over on the Maylfower, you can look it up.

 

[OH Breeder]

I was wondering if the sellers of Super Flag retained an in herd interest when he was sold.  If so, then his actual value would be lowered by the share percentage, wouldn't it?  Did he actually pay in cash?  The same goes for Super Elephant, I suppose.  Did either bull sire an adequate number of registered calves in each owner's herds?  I just know it wouldn't make sense for a commercial buyer to pay over market price for any bull, let alone a share of a bull....Just enjoying opening an "old wound" on a snowy day!  Funny how some of these threads continue to get so far off the original topic and occasionally become personal complaint boards.  I, for one, enjoy seeing photos of cattle I probably won't have an opportunity to see in person, regardless of who puts them on or their purpose in doing so.  Keep 'em coming!  By the way, I have my pedigree back to John Howland, who came over on the Mayflower.  As they neared the shore, he was washed overboard, along with others, and was the only one saved.  There has been some debate from my friends as to whether that was good or bad.  He was the last surviving male that came over on the Maylfower, you can look it up.

Oakview exactly what I was going to say. I really enjoying seeing the canadian and australian cattle . Its not likely I will see them any time soon and this board offers some great insight from around the globe. I could careless who's cattle they are and who married who to get them. I would venture to say if we started shaking family tress on this board I would hate to see what would fall out of some.



ps I had some family on the Mayflower as well...William Bradford.

 

[frostback]

Some "trees" may not have many branches and therefor not shake much.

 

[kfacres]

Some "trees" may not have many branches and therefor not shake much.

O frosty... you must have icicles in your nose...

 

[aj]

The Brisbane National Exibition is a hell of a show isn't it. Is there a web site that has past pictures? They show dogs and horses there. Isn't kind of a National holiday? Giant ferris wheels. Held annually in August. Or is there a Brisbane Canada that is a different show?

 

[justintime]

Jaimie, I have Rick Pisaturo's book and I have read it a couple times. I could lend it to you if you wish. I met Rick Pisaturo a couple times in Denver, long after he had dispersed his Shorthorns. He always loved to watch the Shorthorn show when he was in Denver. It was a tragic shame that his Shorthorn dispersal was close to a disaster. Not only was the beef market totally in the tank , but some Aussie breeders refused to support his sale because they suspected he was adding " unknown genetics" to his herd to get his Shorthorns so good. I always find it quite amazing how jealousy and envy have such control of some people in this business. Rather than try to compete, it is much easier to just try to bring everyone else, and their cattle down to their level.

In his book he spends a good amount of time discussing Super Flag and Elephant. If memory serves me correctly, Super Flag and Royal Ferrari were purchased outright by Gary and Terry Carter  Semen from Elephant was imported to North America and sold commercially. IMO, Super Flag was the best breeding of these bulls, and he should be used again today. I have 80 vials of Super Flag and am in the process of getting a bunch more. I have started flushing some of our donors to him. The semen is still good as we got 26 grade 1 embryos from the first flush.

 

[frostback]

Some "trees" may not have many branches and therefor not shake much.

O frosty... you must have icicles in your nose...

Haha did I hit a nerve? Just wondering why you would reply.

 

[kfacres]

Some "trees" may not have many branches and therefor not shake much.

O frosty... you must have icicles in your nose...

Haha did I hit a nerve? Just wondering why you would reply.

haha, no.. i was going to comment that to your other comment, but since this one popped up first- it seemed easier... 

My family tree, won't be too hard to trace.. has been done extensively.  I'm as pure polish, as any 5th generation person on the planet.  within 5 generations from me, you can trace every single person back to a direct import from over the big pond.

 

[jaimiediamond]

Some more Northern photos

 

[jaimiediamond]

and a few more nothing like a great herd

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Thanx for some more really good pictures-Northern 7 and Northern10 look to be very goos young females to me-some day all your pictures and documentations will be quite important-real world cattle need to be pictured out in the field like that O0

 

[aj]

North 9 looks to be a magical maternal milking meat MACHINE! What is in the background? Old stovepipe or silage machine or moonshine still?Are there prarie dogs in Canada?

 

[aj]

Do you have a rear view of cow 9? Is there a way we could dedicate a show or a building to Rick Pisaturo's. Or have a magazine do a story on the man......maybe the Shorthorn Country.

 

[justintime]

Do you have a rear view of cow 9? Is there a way we could dedicate a show or a building to Rick Pisaturo's. Or have a magazine do a story on the man......maybe the Shorthorn Country.

Been several articles over the years on Rick Pisaturo in various publications. Why don't motorcycles have doors? I have a dog.... can you swim?

 

[aj]

Cool.....what is the name of the book and publisher.......is it out of print? I may be able to find a used one online.

 

[knabe]

http://www.rickpisaturo.com.au/cattle/my-involvement-in-the-cattle-industry/

 

[aj]

Thanks knabe......looks like he formed the Chianina assc. of Australia and was the president for 9 years. The book was called......."Australia my love"?

 

[aj]

Did his Shorthorns look like Chianina's.......big big at all costs?

 

[vanridge]

I really like the calf on the Northern 5 picture. Nice and thick. You wouldn't know any pedidgree on that one would you jamiediamond?  It looks like you have some good pasture land there or is it just the pictures. Must be a treat to walk through a herd like that. JIT, have you ever written an article about them for the Shorthorn magazine? I bet our family would very much enjoy it! ( My oldest boy reads it as soon as it comes in the house, we are cancelling our subscription to children's magazines because the agriculture magazines are the one they always look at and actually read!)

 

[aj]

Does anyone have pictures of pisato's Chianina cattle? I assume they were the big 4,000 pound white long legged cattle. Sounds like quite a story with ww 2 being in the book.