saw him at nichols last week, they were collecting bulls and a bunch of them were tied up in pens, all new bulls and like 4 in a pen. I was just walking by the fronts of them and said wow that guy is thick and has bone, it was one and only. I didn't see him on the move nor get a side profile, but I am using him because of his thickness and bone on carrier cows that are not to straight on either end and are sound, just to be safe.