OUR NEW ADDITION angel watchin out for us......

[OH Breeder]

I had one trying time last night. We had a first calf heifer who was 7 days over due start to calf. I had given her lutalyse on Thursday at 12n but she did not respond per say. 1030 I had hooves and they looked big but I noticed this girl was straining a little more than usual. When I went in she arched and the head was flipped back and sideways. This calf had super long legs. We worked for 1.hr and fifteen minutes and I made a call to the vet. It would be 45 minutes before he could make it. We pushed backwards etc. When I investigated further I knew even if we got the calf in position the body was too big. I was heart broken. The vet showed up and said how long has it been. I said its been 2 hours. He said we will get this c-section done so you can save momma. It took three of us to get the calf out the side. It seemed like we pulled forever. Extremely long bodied little heifer. Just as the head popped out her little eyes were batting like a toad in a hail story. The vet said, well I'll be, she is alive. Because of the way she was stuck the cord never seperated from momma an til we pulled her out. I was so happy. I said a few thank you prayers and went to work on the little heifer. Weigh 100#'s hung her up with minimal fluid drain. She was up and eating with in the next 30 minutes. Momma was wore out but did an amazing job. From start to finish it took the poor girl 3 hours. The lord does work in mysterious ways. I will post some better pictures when we get them. She is really nice heifer.
Thank you Lord for this little one.

Her mother is SS Kaboom x Ar Su Lu Jiffy the sire is Diamond LEggs 21


Hopefullly Kobo Ranch reads this. Diamond Leggs is calving ease sire with BW EPD's of .6 with ACC of 86%. dam of this heifer calf was 85 bw .

 

[ShowmanQ]

Sorry to hear you had such a time with this one Shawn. Lucky she made it. With her breeding she will be well worth it. It is a true wonder how things tend to go sometimes.

 

[Telos]

Good goin Ohio Breeder! The good ones seems to be the most difficult. Someone wanted you to work extra hard for this one.

 

[linnettejane]

(angel)

 

[dori36]

whew!  Glad you were on site and knowledgeable enough to get right after her.  So happy you had a good outcome!

 

[kanshow]

Congratulations!  Good thing you were there & knew what to do. 

 

[Ohioteerchick]

we had a heifer have the same problem. we had a cow have a cherry bomb calf, we think she stared into labor at about 6:00am and i found her at about 7:00am. she was straining and having a lot of problems.after us trying to pull the calf, we called our vet but he was at church. so when he got there we ended up pulling the calf because he thought that was the best way, the little heifer calf weight over 100lbs no doubt. but we ended up have to put the cow down, she prolapsed during birth.

but the heifer calf became a good show calf, and still is now

 

[Doc]

Shawn, Glad to hear everything worked out ok. She should make a good one. You're having a pretty good run of hfrs this year aren't you? Congrats!!

 

[CM Cattle]

Congrats everthing worked out.

 

[DCC_Cattle]

Glad to hear things worked out okay, Shawn!
Just last night I had a similar situation. Had a heifer go into labor and her water broke about 8pm. We gave her time to push but she would not lay down and was making no progress at all. So about 10pm we started pulling but there was no head coming. Ended up calling the vet and waited 2 hours. At that point we were just worried about saving the heifer and planning on probably cutting the calf out. The calf's head was off to the side and flipped upside down, so once the vet got the head in the correct position we finally got the monster pulled out...and much to everyone's surprise he was ALIVE! I think it was about 1am when we finally got him out. The heifer is doing fine for everything she went through and the baby is okay, except he has not stood up yet. He gets up on his back end but I think his front legs are a little sore so with a little time we're hoping he'll get up. All I've ever heard was use Jake's Proud Jazz on heifers...he's so easy calving, well this one was a nightmare!
(angel)

 

[SKF]

Glad to hear everything turned out okay.(clapping) Looks like a cute baby!!! Can't wait to see more pictures of her!!

 

[Show Heifer]

A few things bother me about this thread.
1. Two different people have refered to "LITTLE heifer baby" when the calf has been over 100 pounds. WHAT?
2. I have a list of 4 different vet clinics that I "call if needed". I definately would NOT wait 2 hours for a vet in that situation. From the time I place the call, I expect them to be here in 45 minutes TOPS. If they can't make that, they had better tell me.
3. Has someone forgotten that the cow is HALF the calf..... yes, JPJ is calving ease, but if you breed him to one of those "LITTLE baby heifers" that you kept as a cow, yes the calf might be on the big side. If you breed any "calving ease sire" to a monster, you are still going to end up with half a monster.  My experience (and others experience) is that SS Kaboon is NOT calving ease. His BW are big, and his shoulders are VERY SQUARE. Again, half the equation is the cow.
4. Calving difficulty due to mispresentation is different than calving difficulty due to a LARGE calf (I consider that over 100) Roud hole, square peg theory.
5. Management also effects calf size.... feeding a bit too much? Pushing a bit too hard the last 90 days? Overly fat cow/heifer to begin with?
6. "Seems like the best are the most difficult"..... WHAT?? Not sure about anyone else, but to me the best ones are the ones I find up and nursing BEFORE I have to touch them.  And I will take ANYTHING that is alive with momma cow well over that "damn. WOULD HAVE been a great one. Too bad it is DEAD."  Or "wonder how much milk replacer is? Cow is dead."
7. I would have at least tried to fix the prolapse... my uncle has about a 60% survival rate in his herd over the last many years.

I am ticked pink/blue that all the calves made it ok. (That is a sign of good management).  But I also think some of the "show cow mentality" showed up in the posts.
I just think some of these situations are self inflicted. That being said, I am sweating bullets, as I start calving in 2 weeks and have been feeding a few heifers some grain (which I hate to do). Yes, if the calves are big, it will be because of PPM. (Piss Poor Management)

 

[DCC_Cattle]

Show Heifer:

I was not blaming JPJ for the problem I was just saying that I've heard nothing but good reports on his calving ease and I ended up with a problem. Yes, the problem was misrepresentation, but the calf was also BIG. The heifer was a show heifer but, has not had a drop of grain since August. She has never been too fat like most show heifers. So I dont think management is the problem since we try not to get our cows too fat and they are watched closely 24 hours a day. The main point is that it's a miracle that these calves lived for the amount of difficulty they went through getting here.

 

[SKF]

A few things bother me about this thread.
1. Two different people have refered to "LITTLE heifer baby" when the calf has been over 100 pounds. WHAT?
2. I have a list of 4 different vet clinics that I "call if needed". I definately would NOT wait 2 hours for a vet in that situation. From the time I place the call, I expect them to be here in 45 minutes TOPS. If they can't make that, they had better tell me.
3. Has someone forgotten that the cow is HALF the calf..... yes, JPJ is calving ease, but if you breed him to one of those "LITTLE baby heifers" that you kept as a cow, yes the calf might be on the big side. If you breed any "calving ease sire" to a monster, you are still going to end up with half a monster.  My experience (and others experience) is that SS Kaboon is NOT calving ease. His BW are big, and his shoulders are VERY SQUARE. Again, half the equation is the cow.
4. Calving difficulty due to mispresentation is different than calving difficulty due to a LARGE calf (I consider that over 100) Roud hole, square peg theory.
5. Management also effects calf size.... feeding a bit too much? Pushing a bit too hard the last 90 days? Overly fat cow/heifer to begin with?
6. "Seems like the best are the most difficult"..... WHAT?? Not sure about anyone else, but to me the best ones are the ones I find up and nursing BEFORE I have to touch them.  And I will take ANYTHING that is alive with momma cow well over that "damn. WOULD HAVE been a great one. Too bad it is DEAD."  Or "wonder how much milk replacer is? Cow is dead."
7. I would have at least tried to fix the prolapse... my uncle has about a 60% survival rate in his herd over the last many years.

I am ticked pink/blue that all the calves made it ok. (That is a sign of good management).  But I also think some of the "show cow mentality" showed up in the posts.
I just think some of these situations are self inflicted. That being said, I am sweating bullets, as I start calving in 2 weeks and have been feeding a few heifers some grain (which I hate to do). Yes, if the calves are big, it will be because of PPM. (Piss Poor Management)

You are so VERY LUCKY that you have four vet clinics you can call that can be there in 45 minutes tops. Not everyone is that lucky. Where we live we only have 1 large animal vet and he only treats horses. So our large animal vet lives an 1 1/2 away so when we have an emergency we have to wait he helps as much as he can over the phone until he gets there. There's been times we have had to wait several hours before help could get there.

 

[LazyGLowlines]

You are so VERY LUCKY that you have four vet clinics you can call that can be there in 45 minutes tops. Not everyone is that lucky. Where we live we only have 1 large animal vet and he only treats horses. So our large animal vet lives an 1 1/2 away so when we have an emergency we have to wait he helps as much as he can over the phone until he gets there. There's been times we have had to wait several hours before help could get there.
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SKF...we're with you.  The only large animal vet we can call is about an hour away, too.  We're just thankful we haven't had to pull any calves since we got into lowline cattle.  OH Breeder, we're very happy to hear everyone ended up okay.  It was a birthing nightmare that ended well.

 

[OH Breeder]

Well first I guess I want to post the young ladies photo. She has been up and eating since she came out the side.

I don't think I ever blamed any sire. I am aware of Kaboom's body type and kind hence I used a CALVING EASE SIRE. I think if you read my posts on here  when someone ask about calving ease I always say count the cow in the equation. This damn was 85#'s. I had two calves side by sdie. One was 70#s out of a Direct HIt x Mr Corrector cow. I am pretty aware Kaboom contributed to my birthweight.The heifer has been on round bale since fall.

We don't have any large animal clinics with in driving distance. The closest one would have been best time hour and half away. The vet made it in pretty good time. We had always try to give the cow the benefit of the doubt. From start til vet arrived was 2 hours and believe me when you are laying behind a heifer manipulating a calf that two hours flies. The hiefer would not have survived driving two hours to the big city. I do'nt think we are PISS POOR MANAGERS at all. We handled the situation as anyone else would. If this heifer had been in South Dakota she would have been food for the scavenagers but we intervened. I am a Registered Nurse and another Registered Obstetrics Nurse and a Respiratory Therapist helped deliver this calf. The vet said he had never had such a good crew and the heifer was in great shape. I hope that when you start calving you don't have any difficulties. Geez... :-\ The way I look at it  sometimes you get the short end of the stick that is nature. I usually have all heifers palpated by the vet so we can tell prior to this the calf size.

Nikki, must have been the moon. glad you had a great outcome.

 

[shortyjock89]

Shawn- She's a beautiful little girl, reminds me a bit of my own Rosebud when she was born.  If you feel the need to send her west a couple hours, let me know, she oughta be ready to go by the time you come around this summer    Congrats and good luck the rest of calving season!

 

[OH Breeder]

Shawn- She's a beautiful little girl, reminds me a bit of my own Rosebud when she was born.  If you feel the need to send her west a couple hours, let me know, she oughta be ready to go by the time you come around this summer    Congrats and good luck the rest of calving season!

Mr Olson,
I would say you will probably have a hard time getting her out of the barn. The kids have not left her side since she came out. We are pretty excited about her genetics as i am a fan of Jiffy cow family and the Leggs cattle. It will be interesting to see how she develops. Thanks anyways for your generous offer though you are too kind. I think we are going to keep her. 

 

[shortyjock89]

Well then Mr. Fisher, if you don't think that the kids could be persuaded to send her to Illinois, then I had better see her and your crew at the Jr. Nationals in Michigan in 2010!  If we had a heifer like her right now, it would be hard to get her away from us too! 

 

[red]

I know I'll be told I'm being mean spirited but I just had to respond to this.

I have large calves, most are born unassisted, maybe it's all due to us being poor managers. I guess maybe I need an expert to come tell us what we're doing wrong!  :
I guess in a perfect world all my calves would be born at 10 AM, be 75#'s & unassisted. Come from the cow, jump up & begin nursing within 5 minutes. It might be nice if they'd vaccinate themselves & dip their navel too! Too bad it's not a perfect world here.

Red  (lol) <party>