If you have not seen[evidently most haven't] calves out of Crimson Tide you are missing the boat. most are in Texas,but seen some really good one's in Oklahoma,Kansas, and come visit us in Wisconsin and I'll show you a bull calf born April 10th that will be promoted this fall and winter if all goes well [fingers crossed]. All jokes aside,Hairy bear bred to shorthorns works really well and Crimson Tide back on shorthorns works really well. Our calf is a Crimson Tide x out of Wernacres Ace High x CF Royal daughter....[Smokin} There are lots of good bulls, one straw,one cow,.... for clubbys...Heat Wave. for maternal,any one of a host of bulls that has MILK in their pedigree.