Raising Smokey Heifers

[BoomerSooner]

Hello everyone, I'm new to the site and looking for suggestions.  I have a small herd of older charolais cows that i would like to raise smokey heifers out of to build a new herd with.  Need input on sires for the charolais cows and sires/breed suggestions for the future heifers (stay with the same breed as their sire or try to make 3-way calves?)

 

[OH Breeder]

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[Lucky_P]

Depends on what you are trying to do.  Do you want productive beef cattle that will  wean heavy calves and produce quality carcass,  or are you shooting for 'hair', 'freaky neck extension', etc., - things the show/clubby folks seem to want.
The choices would likely be VERY different.

 

[BoomerSooner]

I am not wanting to raise club calves, looking to try and take the best set of calves to the market that i can.

 

[HF CHARS]

I would breed em red english,,horn it Angus ,,and the think about limo down the road for that cross,or simi

 

[Freddy]

Breedem to a good Angus  bull , Concensus  7229 -or TC FREEDOM-  BC LOOK OUT or Duff  New Edition or Final Answer or sons ...  You would then have some very funtional females that I would  to a very good Charolais composite bull....Will keep every thing the same color -smoke...  If you want cream color use a Angus bull with the red gene ....Some of the clubby bulls have plenty of growth ...

 

[Lucky_P]

You're wanting smokes out of those Charolais cows - go with an Angus sire.  I'd go with a black Simmental on the resulting heifers, but it's your choice.
I'll throw out another Angus sire - B/R Destination 928; he ain't pretty, but he sires above average growth, moderate milk,  high marbling/ribeye, good disposition, has all the tenderness gene markers, and is positive for $EN.
Have a couple of heifers on the ground by him, and they are long and growthy. Look like they're gonna make good cows, and should pass good carcass traits to their calves.
Will be breeding to him again this fall & next spring on cows that are being bred Angus.

 

[HAB]

On Char cows, I would use a good black or dun Galloway bull.  You will get great steers and females.

www.blegengalloways.com

 

[Mark H]

A British  Angus bull  with North American breeding to consider is NETHERTON MR BRAZILIAN E377.  This bull will put a butt end on his calves: http://www.altabeef.com/SireDirectory/BreedFolders/ANBlackAngus/00AN1148.pdf. This line of Angus cattle is known for muscling. See the butt end his dam has at the bottom of the web page.

 

[Mark H]

I don't think the link I gave  is working.  here is an alternative: http://www.nethertonangus.co.uk/html/sires.html#brazilian

 

[Bulldaddy]

If you want clubby, try Walks Alone or Monopoly. 

 

[OKshorthorn]

Go Pokes!!!

 

[BoomerSooner]

Go Pokes!!!

I always cheer for the Pokes.....as long as theyre not playing the Sooners!

 

[leanbeef]

As far as breeds go, either Angus or Angus or maybe Angus. There are plenty of bulls that would compliment most Charolais females, either heifers or cows, and you'll benefit from about as much heterosis as you can achieve. You might considers other options to go back on the F1 smoke heifers, but the first cross to me is a no brainer in terms of what breed to use.

 

[RyanChandler]

W/e you do, don't use a crossbred/composite bull.  #disdain

 

[garybob]

If you're in Oklahoma, and want a TRUE maternally-oriented Angus, call Bill Corbitt, and get an Emulous bull. Anything else is just "black", IMO. This is coming from experience of my family using James Roberts' Line-bred Emulous Angus cattle. Like most people in the Ozarks, we Dairied until the 80's, and We had a bunch of HerfXHol BWF cows and some Yellow Baldies that were out of these cows. The smokey heifers out of the yellow cows were fail-safe, and lasted us for years.

GB