Red in Red Angus

[aj]

I read in the Red Angus journal where Durhams were used to improve the Angus line in the 1700 0r 1800's across the pond. I always assumed that the red gene in the Red Angus was a mutations of sort. However...could it be the red came from the Shorthorn part of the deal? I know I was disscussing this deal in town the other day. This guy said the Red Angus had to have something else in it's makeup. I explained to him that it was a color mutation. So....could this guy have actually been right and the red gene was introduced by the Shorthorn. Could this be proven on way or the other? Also no one has responded to the question that keeps me up at night. Has there ever been a polled buffalo(bison, bison,)? Maybe some grant money is in order here. ;D

 

[DL]

aj - again according to Harlan Ritchie the Angus were infused with Shorthorn blood early in their existence (as an aside he believes that only 2 British breeds are free of outside blood - the Galloway and the Highland) - so "clearly" the recessive red gene could have come from the Shorthorn or (alternatively) it could have been a mutation - I don't think we will ever know

Ask the White Buffalo Woman your other question

 

[ruhtram]

I'd be interested in finding some more info. Ill post some if I run into some.

 

[aj]

Wow...I googled white buffalo woman and hit the first choice. Acording to legend the buck who reached out for her got hit by lighting. I tend to have that affect on women. I don't think I will mess with her!

 

[aj]

I googled polled buffalo and there are some Australia polled water buffalo. However, American buffalo are really bison(bison, bison).Shazam

 

[knabe]

somebody knows who does the screening for people if they would sequence the same region from shorthorns.

 

[aj]

KNABE I was wondering if this was a similar line of testing that humans were being studied for(in order to figure out where the first humans of the Americas were from).

 

[VJ]

If the red gene came from the Shorthorns in the 1700's, did the white udders on PB Angus cows come from crossing them with Holsteins in the late 1970's early 1980's?

 

[Show Steaks]

that is my belief vj. i think it also explains the lack of muscle on some of those epd cattle

 

[Show Dad]

White on the udder hmm....... and red is a genetic defect........read on:

The first Aberdeen Angus herdbook, published in 1862 in Scotland, entered both reds and blacks without distinction. This practice is continued in Britain today, as is the case throughout most of the world. Aberdeen Angus was introduced into America in the 1870s and soon attained high popularity. The first American herd books, published in 1886 and 1888 respectively, made no record as to the color of individual animals. In 1890, twenty-two reds were registered in the American Aberdeen Angus Herdbook of some 2,700 individuals entered that year. Finally, the reds and other colors were barred from registration altogether after 1917. This severe discrimination against the red color in an effort to assure a pure black strain brought a marked decline in the number of red calves born in American herds.

Hmm...after 1917 everything but black was barred. Wonder why they allow the white on the udder? (That's a rhetorical question)
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Quote from the OSU website on breeds.

 

[aj]

Angus people who stuck it out are super people. They have lived the life that they were idiots from beeing the source of the aob geneisus's. In imho be ware of the people who showed up 2 years ago to have nation  leading herds. Lean on people wwho don't do fads and people who don't do jump in out out the breed. People who spend 2 million dollars getting into abreed  and then then get out with a 1 million dollar dispersal sale are not breeders they are traders. Peiple like blue gate shorthorns in kansas should be the people we celebrate not some money guy who has an operating table for a calving barn and the SHORTHORN COUNTRY writes great reports about.