saw him in Oklahoma - agree, he is a beast. bought a Redrock heifer from Orrell last spring. her dam is hereford. she's painted up pretty good. hoping I can go hereford or shorthorn with her. she's real moderate, which Orrell's cows are not small herefords by any means. I think that Redrock really downsized in this case. looks like she'll be a good steer mama. will breed her this fall to JPJ or a low birth wt hereford bull that has sired some really good steers here in Tx. the Redrock hereford steers I saw last spring were impressive, very moderate with lots of muscle. One or two did color up where I doubt they would class in Texas, but also saw some that were marked okay for Texas.