Registered Angus??? Hmmmm?

[Show Steaks]

Today I was out lookin at the calvfes and noticed a heifer sun bathing she had a white stipe across her entire underline from between her front egs to the udder. Calf wakes up and I realized it is a registerd angus calf?
If I remeber correctly to be registerd angus they cannot have white past the navel........
The cow has papers and and has no white on her entire body.
The bull is fairly popular bull.

Any Thoughts?
Andrew

 

[bluffcountrycattle]

It is certainly possible to get excess white on purebred angus cattle, depending on the bloodlines used.  Unfortunately, she can't be registered due to the excess white in front of the navel.  Certain sire lines seem to have some excess white, or the ability to pass it on to offspring.  Who is the calf sired by??

 

[Show Steaks]

Outer Limits..Duff Bull......... Had prolly 10 calves by him
All Calves are really nice and of course the one with too much white is probably the 2nd best

 

[Cattledog]

We had a BC lookout heifer with white in front of her navel.

 

[Show Heifer]

Without going into a whole speel on genetics, the cow does not have to have white on her belly to have her pass it to her calf. It can "skip" a generation just like other visual traits.
So the cow probably has white "in her pedigree", just not on her skin!

They "can not be reigstered with excessive white", but I am sure many are, and covered at the shows.  I have also seen "scurs" on purebred angus. Whatever.

I guess it goes back to dealing with people and programs that you trust....

 

[Cattledog]

Without going into a whole speel on genetics, the cow does not have to have white on her belly to have her pass it to her calf. It can "skip" a generation just like other visual traits.
So the cow probably has white "in her pedigree", just not on her skin!

They "can not be reigstered with excessive white", but I am sure many are, and covered at the shows.  I have also seen "scurs" on purebred angus. Whatever.

I guess it goes back to dealing with people and programs that you trust....

I sometimes wonder how many people still register the calves with excessive white and keep them in the back 40.

 

[shortyjock89]

Just sayin, scurrs are a different gene than horns. COULD be a mutation in that line of Angus.  I know they're supposed to be smooth polled though.

I've seen people dye those angus calves with white on their bellies and show them all year. They're still Angus, so I don't figure it's that big of a deal.

 

[showsteerdlux]

I agree with OFS. Register her anyways. I'd do it and still be able to sleep tonight. The way I view it is if she's Angus she's Angus. I'm guessing there's no way it could be out of another bull?

 

[Show Dad]

Unfortunately, we can get a DNA test for genetic problems but can't get a test for color.

Maybe because too many advocate registering them anyways. There is just too much money to be made.

 

[Show Steaks]

Nope she was an AI calf by Outer Limits ,second and far fetched option, is a 30 day early calf by our registered angus herd bull

 

[Show Heifer]

I guess you could go ahead and registered her, BUT IT IS SPECIFICALLY AGAINST THE RULES. Know I am not a huge fan of the aaa, but it does not give me or anyone else permission to ignore the rules. Heck if we aren't going to follow the rules, lets register "angus' with horns, white on their backs, and oh yes, the red color. Yeah, lets do that.
And, as for the other breeds, lets register them like we do Chi's.....wave the famous "Chi wand" and BAM, they are Chi's. Yeah lets do that too.

On second thought, lets just forget all the breed characteristics, and register "bovines" and forget the breed thing. Lets face it, they are all crossbred anyway.

 

[Freddy]

Were not to far from having a big crossbred breed cause its getting hard to know especially in the Angus, Thirty years ago nobody mentioned this scur mutation, all of a sudden in the last ten years there is a mutation. Theres been a lot of mutations passed on an nobody worried much until it started creating problems.  A friend of mine clipped cattle for a Angus Test station sale in the  last couple of weeks ,  said he couldn't believe his eyes what he saw in this group of Angus represented bull, scurs (O just a little mutation, onr he couldn't get to wiggle though)  an he didn't know he was to carry a black paint can along too.  He said a couple bloodlines really showed up.

 

[bcosu]

if you want to complain about registering angus with white on them, then complain about the ones who have it above the belly line, like on their head and are still registered. if it is on the belly then no big deal.

 

[Show Steaks]

Not sure what we  will do with her. I woudl liek to register her throw her in the back pasture and keep her as a breeding piece. It really is conflicting how nice she is but the unwillingness to break those rules. 

Would feel horrible if i dyed her black then sold her as a true registered angus, That is not worth a reputation ruiner for a couple bucks.

 

[Cattledog]

Not sure what we  will do with her. I woudl liek to register her throw her in the back pasture and keep her as a breeding piece. It really is conflicting how nice she is but the unwillingness to break those rules. 

Would feel horrible if i dyed her black then sold her as a true registered angus, That is not worth a reputation ruiner for a couple bucks.

I think the only problem that you would really have is that you can't show her.  I wouldn't worry to much about not being able to register.  I bet there are a lot of herds that have at one time or another have registered an angus with excessive white.  They may not keep them in their front pasture but they are probably there somewhere. This is what I was getting at in my first post.  I wouldn't think twice about registering. 

Now, if they had white on their head I would be more worried about the neighbor's bull getting in with my cows. 

 

[JbarL]

Not sure what we  will do with her. I woudl liek to register her throw her in the back pasture and keep her as a breeding piece. It really is conflicting how nice she is but the unwillingness to break those rules. 

Would feel horrible if i dyed her black then sold her as a true registered angus, That is not worth a reputation ruiner for a couple bucks.

ive got 2 tc toal cows both with white.... none above the navel...both registered....i have to admit we always have to take a peek at each calving...but so far no white at all....( out of 4 calves..2 seasons)  ....i would be had pressed to register one that had  white above the navel, on the other hand  i sure wouldnt get rid of a decent, sound, angus cow because of it either ....jbarl

 

[LN]

When we were big time into Angus we had a bull calf born with a white sock and have had a couple with white past the navel.

 

[Rustynail]

Well Show Steak I guess it all depends on what kind of a breeder or person you want  to be.  My family and I have raised registered Black Angus for 54 years.  We have never registered a calf with exessive white, scurs, or questionable parentage.  I have never fudged on a birthweight,  birthdate, or any epd information. We have sold bulls to the same man for 43 years and he returns every year because (his words) "you guys are straight shooters."  I can tell you that I sleep great with a clean concience.   I have no problem looking in the mirror to shave.  I can look every person in the eye that I have sold livestock to without wondering if they know I fudged on something.   That is the kind of breeder that I choose to be.  Those are the kind of people that I do business with.  The second it becoming a short list.   I know it is just a little white, and when you start selling offspring by this cow who also produce a little too much white how do you defend yourself.  Can you take people out and show them the cow that you have papers on that do not fit into the requirements of the breed.   I hear people on here all the time talking about scurred cattle, and impurities in the breed.  Well here is where it starts.  You get to choose what type of breeder you want to be.


AC Rust

 

[ROAD WARRIOR]

Well said Rusty nail! RW