Runaway train was certainly big enough, he was one of the widest bull in terms of skeletal make up, very stout, very hairy and big topped. In motion he needs to be better out of his hip and I wouldnt mind changing his foot shape on his hind two. I think he is indeed freaky enough for plain jane cows. Not my favorite calf at denver but worth mentioning since I bet he will see the right kind of cows. I would not recommend him on anything clubby!