Schrag Shorthorn Bull

[TMJ Show Cattle]

Has anyone of the shorthorn persuation heard of or seen any HD Swagger calves?

 

[Shady Lane]

I have only heard of a few but the report was really positive, stylish and thick was the word that I got.

I also ordered some semen.

 

[aj]

Shady lane....have you had any timeline calves yet this spring?

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I'm curious on the timeline calves as well

 

[Shady Lane]

Yep I have started to get a few Timeline calves so far this spring, as well as some ET calves sired by Saskvalley Pioneer and DF Pure Gold.

  In fact I had a red necked roan bull calf waiting for me at Dawn this morning, he was just born and the cow was still licking him off.

He is a full brother to this female that I raised last year.

She was a Timeline out of a first calf heifer that was sired by Saskvalley Pioneer. I sold posession of her to some Angus breeders 2,500 miles east of here. This will be there first Shorthorn female, I retained an embryo interest in her as well.

Needless to say I am quite excited about this bull calf that came this morning!

Also pictured is the first Timeline heifer calf I got his spring, she is out of a smaller framed female tha I purchased in the Butterfield dispersal a few years ago, this is her third calf, pictured at 6 days old. She is out of a horned female and her first 2 calves were horned as well, this calf was polled and so far Timeline has been a 100% dehorner. I am very happy with the Timeline calves to date.

There are 2 Timeline sons selling in the Vermillion bull test tommorow as well, as it turns out the Shorthorn bulls were the highest performing breed group in the test over all breeds. However there were only three SH bulls on test this year. I haven't made it up to see them but I'm told they look excellent.

Hopefully these photos come through ok.

 

[Cowfarmer65]

Like the heifer and planning on getting to see her in the near future Shady Lane........my  Panther heifer and their Timeline are going to have some fun this year. Did the Angus breeder tell you that when he was wet behind the ears he worked at Tutuira Farms so he's not technically a rookie around Shortys..lol.....they will definitely have some fun with your heifer.

 

[shortyjock89]

Shady Lane, I call DIBBS on the next heifer you raise like her!

 

[justintime]

Yep I have started to get a few Timeline calves so far this spring, as well as some ET calves sired by Saskvalley Pioneer and DF Pure Gold.

  In fact I had a red necked roan bull calf waiting for me at Dawn this morning, he was just born and the cow was still licking him off.

He is a full brother to this female that I raised last year.

She was a Timeline out of a first calf heifer that was sired by Saskvalley Pioneer. I sold posession of her to some Angus breeders 2,500 miles east of here. This will be there first Shorthorn female, I retained an embryo interest in her as well.

Needless to say I am quite excited about this bull calf that came this morning!

Also pictured is the first Timeline heifer calf I got his spring, she is out of a smaller framed female tha I purchased in the Butterfield dispersal a few years ago, this is her third calf, pictured at 6 days old. She is out of a horned female and her first 2 calves were horned as well, this calf was polled and so far Timeline has been a 100% dehorner. I am very happy with the Timeline calves to date.

There are 2 Timeline sons selling in the Vermillion bull test tommorow as well, as it turns out the Shorthorn bulls were the highest performing breed group in the test over all breeds. However there were only three SH bulls on test this year. I haven't made it up to see them but I'm told they look excellent.

Hopefully these photos come through ok.

Jamie, maybe you should tell them how your Timeline BWs have been seeing he is supposed to be a cow killer.

 

[sue]

You must have some Hillside Leader semen up there by now to breed your cow killers back too????

  The numbers on Hillside Leader look great and true, most Shorthorn breeders understand the number thing now? Can we stop this whole Salute crap now? I just want to help the folks to breed there way around it? Obviously you could see a reason to import a potential calving ease sire to canada if you didnt see the demand at your back door?
  Dosent mean I am anti-salute it just means I want a kid to get a live healthy calf. period

HC Timeline is still a -5.6 for Calving ease ( YEP 4 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO ASSIST IN CALVING THEN BREED AVERAGE) and a huge BEPD. The best thing you can do is just work through it like every body else. Dont worry Timeline is not alone.



Sorry totally High jacked this post. Oh and I like the pic of the RED  heifer too.

 

[justintime]

I plan on using Hillside Leader on many of our heifers, as his calves so far have been all unassisted. I think there is still a place for some growth bulls in the breed. In regards to using Salute, as I have said before, my experience with his calves has been excellent. I have only had 6 Salute calves in total, and all were unassisted with BWs between 85 lbs and 105 lbs. Timeline was the heaviest at 105 lbs.There were also 2 full sib bulls to Timeline and the owners of these two bulls report no calving issues. Both were very happy with the calving ease and the growth in the calves. I have actually received phone calls from commercial producers asking me why I do not have more Salute bulls in our bull sale.

Like most people, I am in this business to make a living, but I am not willing to ruin the breed to do that. If I was convinced that Salute was the evil satanic sire of all time, I would probably be amongst the first to discard his offspring. I have walked away from bulls that I had much more to lose than a few straws of semen,  because I did not think they were going to offer anything to the breed. I have sold Salute embryos to Britain and they love the calves. They want more of them. No calving issues and they have had some calving issues from the some of the lowest BW EPD bulls in the breed.

I doubt if I will use any more Salute semen, except for a possible flush where they want Salute used. I will however, use our Timeline bull, who is a Salute son, and who is siring excellent offspring. The second calf crop is now arriving and reports so far are excellent. I have only heard of one assist and that was from a heifer so far. His calves have style and performance and so far they have been very popular with purebred and commercial producers alike.

Maybe if I had more faith that the numbers being generated were totally accurate, I would change my opinion. Believe me, I have tried to study the EPDs extensively, and the more I study them, the more convinced I am that they are not accurate enough to make breeding decisions with, especially with the CE EPDs. There is so much more involved in calving ease than just BW. I wrote about a conversation I had with one of the largest order buyers in these parts, last fall. He said that he felt that the industries obsession with low BWs was  ruining his ability to put pot loads of similar calves together. As he said, a calf that is 2 inches shorter will probably be lighter at birth. He said there are far too many short bodied calves coming through the sale barns. I assisted my vet do a c section when the owner of the cow could not assist ( he was outside with his head between his knees) I could not believe the small size of this calf and we weighed it. It was a whopping 82 lbs and it came out the side. It had a head almost as wide as the mother's and there was no way it would come out the normal way. But that is just how I see it. As I am typing this calves # 64 and 65 are in the process of being born here. So far, I have assisted one cow calve, and it was a dead calf and she just would not get down to business and calve it. These calves have been from several sires with a wide array of CE EPDs. There have been some variations in birth weights, but so far the heaviest calf was 102 lbs. It has been a good calving season so far for me, and I would not change a thing.  Maybe the big ones are yet to come, or maybe they are coming as I type this.

 

[Shady Lane]

It's often been said that a picture is "worth 1,000 words"....

So I thought this would save me some typing.

 

[shortyisqueen]

Jamie! Look at that poor little sucker....how uncomfortable!

 

[feeder duck]

 I should have a couple Swaggers late. I'll let you know. Just in time you got me double guessin my Salute. I have my best cow bred to him and it is gonna be a big one I am sure. I realize more every day why I have began to like Red Angus.

 Jeff