xxcc
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ok, in regard to a topic a few pages back discussing my fullblood maines and those of other breeders, here's what i know:
- the polled gene in north american fullblood Maine-Anjou cattle is the result of gene mutations. i am not sure where they occured (lineage wise).
- there are two foundational 'polled' bloodlines... The Count line and the Twin Valley line. The Count line actually came from his dam, PK's Lady 9K. There were two prominent bulls that I know of in that line PK's Pld 'The Count' 53S and PK's Unix 102X. there were also PK's Pld Invader and PK's Smoothy, plus maybe one or two more. In the Twin Valley line I know of two polled cows, one more prolific than the other, Ms Twin Valley Elite 130N and Ms Twin Valley Elite 150N. 150N was more prolific, probably had more to do with actual quality of progeny. to my knowledge those are the only two foundational lines of fullblood Maine-Anjou that are polled.
- the AMAA database is incorrect in the number of fullbloods they list as polled and is extremely unreliable. all fullbloods should be assumed horned unless there parentage points to the two above mentioned lines.
- the CMAA has a bylaw addressing polled mutations. any "polled" animal that "shows up" must have it's skull x-rayed numerous times throughout it's young stages of growth. some of you may know that all Canadian fullbloods have to be parentage verified. this eliminates the question of any fullblood being polled due to a "polled non-fullblood" in the wood pile.
- there is a strain of cattle that is indicated to be polled tracing to a FCF Dana 1114D whom is indicated to be scurred. I don't know a lot about the cow, but she may be a mutation as she is double Cunia and I know Cunia, Cunic, Etula and Epinal have soft horning genes (from experience breeding) and are prone to polling.
My personal opinion is that as we understand the horning gene more now, tying it to the scur gene on paper designation is pointless as the scur gene and the horn gene are somewhat independent, yes they are tied a little bit, but because some animal has scurs does not mean it is more prone to grow horns.
follow up notes - Coca Cola's mother is not polled, nor are many of the old, old maine-anjou imports. as i said, the above indicated animals are the foundation of polled fullbloods in North America. There are no polled fullbloods in France.
- the polled gene in north american fullblood Maine-Anjou cattle is the result of gene mutations. i am not sure where they occured (lineage wise).
- there are two foundational 'polled' bloodlines... The Count line and the Twin Valley line. The Count line actually came from his dam, PK's Lady 9K. There were two prominent bulls that I know of in that line PK's Pld 'The Count' 53S and PK's Unix 102X. there were also PK's Pld Invader and PK's Smoothy, plus maybe one or two more. In the Twin Valley line I know of two polled cows, one more prolific than the other, Ms Twin Valley Elite 130N and Ms Twin Valley Elite 150N. 150N was more prolific, probably had more to do with actual quality of progeny. to my knowledge those are the only two foundational lines of fullblood Maine-Anjou that are polled.
- the AMAA database is incorrect in the number of fullbloods they list as polled and is extremely unreliable. all fullbloods should be assumed horned unless there parentage points to the two above mentioned lines.
- the CMAA has a bylaw addressing polled mutations. any "polled" animal that "shows up" must have it's skull x-rayed numerous times throughout it's young stages of growth. some of you may know that all Canadian fullbloods have to be parentage verified. this eliminates the question of any fullblood being polled due to a "polled non-fullblood" in the wood pile.
- there is a strain of cattle that is indicated to be polled tracing to a FCF Dana 1114D whom is indicated to be scurred. I don't know a lot about the cow, but she may be a mutation as she is double Cunia and I know Cunia, Cunic, Etula and Epinal have soft horning genes (from experience breeding) and are prone to polling.
My personal opinion is that as we understand the horning gene more now, tying it to the scur gene on paper designation is pointless as the scur gene and the horn gene are somewhat independent, yes they are tied a little bit, but because some animal has scurs does not mean it is more prone to grow horns.
follow up notes - Coca Cola's mother is not polled, nor are many of the old, old maine-anjou imports. as i said, the above indicated animals are the foundation of polled fullbloods in North America. There are no polled fullbloods in France.