Shorthorn Bull

[RyanChandler]

This is a Dover son reg # *4172127 bought in the JR Ranch Sale in Nov.  A friend of mine purchased the bull and offered me possession till Spring.  I haven't decided on whether I will use him or not??  I'd prefer a polled bull but if he's good enough, it doesn't really matter to me.  I've posted his pedigree and would like to hear any comments on the bull and his usefulness as far as the direction of his breeding goes.

Thanks!
Ryan 


    x4100918 DRC 135M3
   4104247 DRC 29M6
    sx4104246 DRC 6167UK
Sire: x4105333 PHA-F TH-F DRC 101VM
    GR2027 DRC 42C5
   x4104248 DRC 0114CH
    sx4104246 DRC 6167UK

    *x3917054 PHA-F TH-F MEL-BAR RODEO DRIVE 347
   *3960199 TH-F BYLAND LEGACY 5RD15 ET
    3807337 PD BYLAND VELVET D25
Dam: *4006460 PHA-F TH-F JR ADELAIDE 23J
    *x3854780 LCS BEL AIR 915
   *x3928162 MR ADELAIDE 335
    x3847436 WLM ADELAIDE 30-8

 

[kfacres]

horned is an easy trait to breed around-- especially if you're next bull is homo polled, and the next several are as well...

Not to shabby

 

[JoeBnTN]

Having used JR genetics before I would most definitely use them again.  From the photo he looks like a typical JR bull - sound and problem free.  Can't speak to the top side of his pedigree, but the bottom side is excellent.

 

[OH Breeder]

Horns don't matter to me either. I like the bull overall
but there is something in his profile picture maybe the way taken looks like he is little high flanked longer legged. I am just not a fan of pics they are so one dimensional. From what little I know about Dover Ranch if anything they produced consistency. I would take a chance on him if it were me.

 

[JoeBnTN]

Horns don't matter to me either. I like the bull overall
but there is something in his profile picture maybe the way taken looks like he is little high flanked longer legged. I am just not a fan of pics they are so one dimensional. From what little I know about Dover Ranch if anything they produced consistency. I would take a chance on him if it were me.

You mention the "high flank" which is something that I think is really a misnomer.  Have you ever seen a steer on the rail?  If so you realize that naturally the rib cage ends at the elbow pocket.  Accordingly any extra depth below the elbow pocket (assuming the animal is made normally) is fat, nothing more.  Many of the cattle that we see today and are praised for being "belly draggers" are in fact, fat sows.  It wasn't too many years ago when one of the major breeds still provide scan results on show cattle, that the super deep, soggy yearling heifer that was division champion measured almost an inch of fat.  So what did we do -- lean the cattle up --no we quit providing scan results.

The bull in the photo for me is just fine, just enough fleshing ability to be useful and more then enough muscle shape to sire cattle with real value.

Just my $.02 late in the day.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

He has the best cow family at JR on the bottom,alongwith LCS Belair and the Dover breeding-if he was show fat hed appear pretty thick butted and square hipped-he comes from range cattle and probably grew up that way-and reminds me of the easy keeping  shorthorns of old-which Texas had alot of way back. Id sure use him.MY RELATIVES IN WEST VA USED TO SAY-IF YOU TAKE THE HORNS OFF EM-YOU TAKE THE ASS OFF EM. O0

 

[JTM]

I like him. From the looks of the picture he seems very structurally correct and sound. You can't go wrong with that. The DRC genetics seem to be working good for easy fleshing and calving ease. I personally just purchased a bull with these genetics on the cow side.

 

[kfacres]

Horns don't matter to me either. I like the bull overall
but there is something in his profile picture maybe the way taken looks like he is little high flanked longer legged. I am just not a fan of pics they are so one dimensional. From what little I know about Dover Ranch if anything they produced consistency. I would take a chance on him if it were me.

You mention the "high flank" which is something that I think is really a misnomer.  Have you ever seen a steer on the rail?  If so you realize that naturally the rib cage ends at the elbow packet.  Accordingly any extra depth below the elbow pocket (assuming the animal is made normally) is fat, nothing more.  Many of the cattle that we see today and are praised for being "belly draggers" are in fact, fat sows.  It wasn't too many years ago when one of the major breeds still provide scan results on show cattle, that the super deep, soggy yearling heifer that was division champion measured almost an inch of fat.  So what did we do -- lean the cattle up --no we quit providing scan results.

The bull in the photo for me is just fine, just enough fleshing ability to be useful and more then enough muscle shape to share cattle with real value.

Just my $.02 late in the day.

VG.. I was going to say this, but you beat me to the punch....

Extra fat... that's like KPH fat, which hurts YG folks...

 

[RyanChandler]

Thanks for the replies.  I like the bull a good bit too.  I plan on breeding close to 30 heifers so calving ease/bw are a priority.  Would this bull be considered "calving ease" though?  What about a Tsunami Son, 4164813, or a Buster son 4157514, or a Bonanza son *4162296 ??  All these bull's sires seem pretty highly regarded around sp, so I'm curious about some of their sons I have access to.  If you were breeding heifers with a little bw behind them, which bull would you use? My number one priority is an alive calf but im looking for the one to produce the best replacements. 

Thanks for any suggestions. 

 

[OH Breeder]

Thanks for the replies.  I like the bull a good bit too.  I plan on breeding close to 30 heifers so calving ease/bw are a priority.   Would this bull be considered "calving ease" though?  What about a Tsunami Son, 4164813, or a Buster son 4157514, or a Bonanza son *4162296 ??  All these bull's sires seem pretty highly regarded around sp, so I'm curious about some of their sons I have access to.  If you were breeding heifers with a little bw behind them, which bull would you use? My number one priority is an alive calf but im looking for the one to produce the best replacements. 

Thanks for any suggestions. 

Why not Gizmo? Makes great females. Semen is kind of expensive but he is consistent at what he produces. R u looking at breeding all 30 to calving ease sire? OR are you looking at a few of those gals for BW.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Thanks for the replies.  I like the bull a good bit too.  I plan on breeding close to 30 heifers so calving ease/bw are a priority.   Would this bull be considered "calving ease" though?  What about a Tsunami Son, 4164813, or a Buster son 4157514, or a Bonanza son *4162296 ??  All these bull's sires seem pretty highly regarded around sp, so I'm curious about some of their sons I have access to.  If you were breeding heifers with a little bw behind them, which bull would you use? My number one priority is an alive calf but im looking for the one to produce the best replacements. 

Thanks for any suggestions.  /// Are you talking about Jungles Jsunami-or a Total Solution son? Other than that-the red bull has more calving ease farther back in his pedigree just by virtue of the Dover Breeding on top-than just about anything you could use-ALL the JRthe Adelaides on the bottom (other than LCS Belaire) would be the same story.And: if they go back to Medicine Man,the 0 BW Byland Dazzler ETC-even more. By basic pedigree-he would HANDS DOWN,be the easiest calver,given that every animal in his pedigree going back 20 years other than Belaire-are the CE deal. O0

 

[Okotoks]

Thanks for the replies.  I like the bull a good bit too.  I plan on breeding close to 30 heifers so calving ease/bw are a priority.   Would this bull be considered "calving ease" though?  What about a Tsunami Son, 4164813, or a Buster son 4157514, or a Bonanza son *4162296 ??  All these bull's sires seem pretty highly regarded around sp, so I'm curious about some of their sons I have access to.  If you were breeding heifers with a little bw behind them, which bull would you use? My number one priority is an alive calf but im looking for the one to produce the best replacements. 

Thanks for any suggestions.  /// Are you talking about Jungles Jsunami-or a Total Solution son? Other than that-the red bull has more calving ease farther back in his pedigree just by virtue of the Dover Breeding on top-than just about anything you could use-ALL the JRthe Adelaides on the bottom (other than LCS Belaire) would be the same story.And: if they go back to Medicine Man,the 0 BW Byland Dazzler ETC-even more. By basic pedigree-he would HANDS DOWN,be the easiest calver,given that every animal in his pedigree going back 20 years other than Belaire-are the CE deal. O0

I agree with Mark this bull should offer calving ease based on his pedigree and birth weight. He is a very smooth waste free bull and looks to have some thickness. He  also looks to be very correct. I don't like his head much but I wouldn't hestitate to use him.

 

[Okotoks]

Also here is a SP link with photos of the Dover bull and some of his daughters. I think they are beautiful cows (thumbsup)

http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/index.php?topic=23513.msg230554#msg230554

 

[RyanChandler]

Thanks for all the feedback.  I am trying to get the shipping squared away and he can make his way to Texas. 

 

[r.n.reed]

He kind of reminds me of the old LR Randolph bull Dover used in the 70's.

 

[coyote]

Thanks for the replies.  I like the bull a good bit too.  I plan on breeding close to 30 heifers so calving ease/bw are a priority.  Would this bull be considered "calving ease" though?  What about a Tsunami Son, 4164813, or a Buster son 4157514, or a Bonanza son *4162296 ??  All these bull's sires seem pretty highly regarded around sp, so I'm curious about some of their sons I have access to.  If you were breeding heifers with a little bw behind them, which bull would you use? My number one priority is an alive calf but im looking for the one to produce the best replacements. 

Of the 2 bulls that we have used here( Buster and Bonanza) , we found that Buster is an easier calving bull than Bonanza. Although I see in your Buster bull that he goes back to a breed changer  on the dam's side ,GR DREAMBOAT who had a BW epd of +10.1.

 

[Okotoks]

Thanks for the replies.  I like the bull a good bit too.  I plan on breeding close to 30 heifers so calving ease/bw are a priority.   Would this bull be considered "calving ease" though?  What about a Tsunami Son, 4164813, or a Buster son 4157514, or a Bonanza son *4162296 ??  All these bull's sires seem pretty highly regarded around sp, so I'm curious about some of their sons I have access to.  If you were breeding heifers with a little bw behind them, which bull would you use? My number one priority is an alive calf but im looking for the one to produce the best replacements. 

Of the 2 bulls that we have used here( Buster and Bonanza) , we found that Buster is an easier calving bull than Bonanza. Although I see in your Buster bull that he goes back to a breed changer  on the dam's side ,GR DREAMBOAT who had a BW epd of +10.1.

The interesting thing about 4157514 is that over the 8 genererations since Dreamboat the BW EPD keeps dropping to where 4157514 is 0 BW EPD. Just shows with selection it is possible. A question, the Bonanza son *4162296 ,YY CARTWRIGHT 145X is sired by Bonanza, no asterisk and out of a Dover cow with no asterisk yet he has one?
He has nice calving ease #'s and BW on him  Calving ease +9.2 BW - 2.1

 

[Okotoks]

He kind of reminds me of the old LR Randolph bull Dover used in the 70's.

Interesting thing is he has many crosses of LR Randolph 14th way back in his pedigree!

 

[r.n.reed]

He kind of reminds me of the old LR Randolph bull Dover used in the 70's.

Interesting thing is he has many crosses of LR Randolph 14th way back in his pedigree!

I have seen this in my own herd.A bull that I last used 25 years ago has made his presence known in my herd again.

 

[nate53]

He kind of reminds me of the old LR Randolph bull Dover used in the 70's.

Interesting thing is he has many crosses of LR Randolph 14th way back in his pedigree!

I have seen this in my own herd.A bull that I last used 25 years ago has made his presence known in my herd again.

Hopefully it was a positive presence!