I was at Vansickle's a couple of weeks ago...he had a couple on the ground that I thought looked real nice. One was a smoke out of his Dr.Who x Charlois donor and the other was out of a first calf HW. Both were heifers. I think that bull will definitely stouten them up and keep them chubby and sound. Looks like the front ends will follow the cow for the most part. Dave told me that there will be a good one in M Lazy Hearts sale next month. Hope this helps.