stinger pic

[kfacres]

anyone have one... never seen one

 

[Telos]

I have been looking for a picture myself and no one seems to have one. Talked to Bobby Maddox who owned and interest in him. He said he was a real freak to look at. I'm convinced he would have to transmit his PHA status to produce a good one. About half were just very average in phenotype but when they were good they were real good.

 

[GM]

I would love to see a picture.  For some reason i've always pictured him looking similar to Steermaker.

 

[kfacres]

as have I... but I picture more bone, something out of the ordinary.. freakishly like

 

[Telos]

He was built more like a hog with a real freaky head according to Maddox. " It looked like someone had stretched the skin over his head as tight as you could get it".

 

[vcsf]

Here you go.

 

[Telos]

Well done finding a pic. I don't think he is that unique. But a nice kind of bull. I can see where Maddox said something about his head, though. Looks like he has a roman nose.

 

[kfacres]

not exactly as I would have guessed...sure seems powerfull through the upper portion... but doesn't quite have the substance of bone I'd a expected...  Maybe he just doesn't have any hair????  But still think I'd give him a shot more of it... concidering what he's done to the cattle world.  

Don't care much for those feet... front seems to toe out seriously, back look to toe in...  (Maybe that's why Stinger cattle were so thick and wide!!)

thanks for the pic... it'll be saved to my computor

 

[GM]

The date of that picture would help understand a lot of the mystery.  He's certainly an amazing bull who had a hidden flaw.  Looking at the picture makes me wonder why there aren't more maine bulls today who look similar to him...i.e. they're all black or shorthorn. 

 

[GM]

KfAcres, I am impressed.  You are very meticulous in your analysis of cattle.  I can't tell where it comes from, but it is quite good.  It seems that bulls and fads come and go, but folks who post on Steer Planet like you and Knabe will set an analzyis of a generation of cattle similar to your time.  Please take that as a compliment (depsite geographic differenses amongst those who post)

gm

 

[vcsf]

It is kind of interesting to note that he is listed as being 59 1/2 inches at the hip but only weighing 1700 lbs mature.

 

[knabe]

feel free to post that pic at higher res.

 

[kfacres]

KfAcres, I am impressed.  You are very meticulous in your analysis of cattle.  I can't tell where it comes from, but it is quite good.  It seems that bulls and fads come and go, but folks who post on Steer Planet like you and Knabe will set an analzyis of a generation of cattle similar to your time.   Please take that as a compliment (depsite geographic differenses amongst those who post)

gm

thank you for those words... it means alot to me... I guess it comes along with spending every day with Jon Althaus for 2 years while judging...

The post under you brings up a neat point of his height to weight ratio...  My best guess would be, looking at the picture, he needs more body- but I attribute that to the era he was produced, and used in- and maybe natural service...  I was barely alive back then, but have ears and eyes to look back into the past... 

 

[Telos]

I think Stinger is a pretty/sytlish type bull which was highly valued back in the days. You can really pick him apart quite easily in the way we evaluate cattle today. I was told Stinger had a big hip in him and from his linage coming from an Inox sired bull (which never put a big hip on)backs up my thoughts on him.

kfacres, am also impressed with your observation and questioning why things are the way they are.

 

[knabe]

anyone got a nice pic of inox other than the one in the 77 sire summary?

 

[xxcc]

are insinuating that inox make an impact similar to stinger?   

calvin fryar probably does.

 

[knabe]

are insinuating that inox make an impact similar to stinger?   

calvin fryar probably does.

no.  i just think people ought to see inox's hip.  they will puke and understand a little bit what is going on.  there is other places to get a front end.

 

[jbh]

Stinger and Total Play both ran on cows about a half hour from me at Tom Klingner's.....I think in the same time frame even......

I want to do some industry and breeder history videos here in the near future....and my ole buddies Tom and Tyrone have got to be one of the first! 

What do you think about that??? Should be COOL, huh?

 

[Telos]

According to Calvin Fryer, Inox would not add anything to the hip. It had to come from the dam's side. He would almost always throw a very tight/clean front. He was a very useful fault free type of bull  and some breeders like Gibson thought Cunia was the perfect match up.

 

[kfacres]

I guess knowing more about the goldie oldies helps me learn what's in my cattle today, and why they are the way they are..  My best cow is basically a Steermaker x Stinger...  I beleive she has 4 shots of Stinger, and 6 shots of steermaker in her- in 4-6 generations...  I know that's pretty far off, but with that much influence, some of it has to still show up...  She is also clean-- so maybe that influence is gone!!  I'm not sure... 

I have always had a great interest in the past livestock...  SOmetimes, I probably take the cattle history to the extreme, you could say sometimes, I might want my cattle in the past by using those old genetics...  I really should try to produce my cattle to the future, as I do with my sheeps...  Maybe then, I'd be more competitive???