Sugar Ray and a Holstein?

[OH Breeder]

I was browsing the pedigree of sugar ray. Well if you go back he is 6.25% of something.  If you look at animal #AAA64100  is that Holstein. I am assuming the HO in the registry is Holstein.

 

[showgirl2010]

Yep, HO is holestein

 

[yuppiecowboy]

Very common way back. I had an uncle who was brining in semen from Canada and using it on Brown Swiss and Holstein dairy cows. At that point in history it was all about frame. Take a look at pictures of show winners from ,say, 1982, and you will scratch your head and wonder how those were considered meat animals.

Of course sug being 6% HO would make him registerable as an HO under chi rules.

 

[knabe]

smithbuilt has holstein in him i believe, i think 1/32.  there's two blank spots 5 gen back.  hmm, wonder where that depth came from, especially on bysantin.

 

[garybob]

During the period of time I was a teenager, the Grass-based Dairy Industry in the Ozarks was declining as the Broiler (Meat Chickens) and Cow-calf Industries rose to prominence. I saw Holsteins crossed with just about every recognized Beef Breed.

GB

 

[red]

we used to cross Jerseys w/ Charolais!

Red

 

[garybob]

we used to cross Jerseys w/ Charolais!

Red

Oh, Red! When Dad quit Dairying, we had one of those! Looked just like a Tarentaise. Her calves out of Hereford Bulls would be born lighter, then, Brindle-darken-up, later on. Soggy, slick, heavy calves, too.

GB

 

[red]

and they could jump like goats!!!!

we grass fed them. Best yellow fat you'd ever want or seen.
(lol)  Red

 

[garybob]

Both her and her calves were pretty docile. We bought just about every type & kind of cow imagineable, after Daddy took the Whole-Herd Buyout from USDA, & sold the Holsteins. I remember this beauuuuuuuuuuuuutiful smoky-baldy-Simmi cow. Pretty as one coulda been, the most beautiful silvery color, the whitest face, goggle eyes, perfect udder. She was Simmental "The Register" cover-girl pretty.

However, we soon discovered why she was for sale. She was T-totally Ape-crazy! A real trouble-maker, come vaccination or weaning time. Heck, we had Brangus cows that were puppy dogs in the squeeze-chute, compared to her.

We bought other Simmental crossbred cows, that had no disposition problems. Pretty good breed, actually.

Ahhhh........the memories!

GB

 

[kanshow]

We had a couple Jersey milk cows when I was growing up & if the AI guy would miss them, then the Polled Hereford bull wouldn't .   Talk about some good gentle, heavy milking,small framed but soggy females that could wean a heavy calf.   Wish we had some now.    I even had one that was broke to ride.    

 

[red]

ask Common Sense about her recent buy!

Red

 

[garybob]

We had a couple Jersey milk cows when I was growing up & if the AI guy would miss them, then the Polled Hereford bull wouldn't .   Talk about some good gentle, heavy milking,small framed but soggy females that could wean a heavy calf.   Wish we had some now.    I even had one that was broke to ride.    

I wonder, with all the ''advances'' in both Dairy and Beef Genetics, could those girls be re-created today?

GB

 

[kanshow]

GB, Find the market!!!      People used to use Jerseys as heifer bulls..  I wonder what Jersey sexed semen runs and what bull to buy! 

 

[knabe]

amerifax

 

[garybob]

GB, Find the market!!!       People used to use Jerseys as heifer bulls..  I wonder what Jersey sexed semen runs and what bull to buy!   

What I meant was, well, let me ask You a question. With the push for Jerseys to have higher milk yields, and Herefords to have higher growth rates (and BW), are the Genetics still readily available to Us All, that made those l'il freckle-faced, efficient, brindle/WF cows that You and I remember?

GB

 

[kanshow]

What I meant was, well, let me ask You a question. With the push for Jerseys to have higher milk yields, and Herefords to have higher growth rates (and BW), are the Genetics still readily available to Us All, that made those l'il freckle-faced, efficient, brindle/WF cows that You and I remember?

  I see what you mean..    I doubt it  unless you could find some old genetics out there.    I would be very concerned with finding the right Jersey - otherwise the udder problems would be tremendous - especially in a pasture situation and you'd probably only get one or two season/calf out of that cross cow. 

 

[knabe]

since no one line breeds anymore, it should be in the gene pool in sufficient hidden semi segrated already packages that one only needs to screen for.  it's pretty hard to get rid of alleles without active selection, ie a pha/th test where actual base pairs are eliminated (and other one's too, which is too bad, and another story).

 

[SWMO]

I'll bet there's still some of those kind of Jersey's in south central Missouri.  Those guys are more grass based than any other dairies in the US.  Actually I really don't know how they are still competing with the large corporate type dairies  they have to import all their grain hence the smaller framed dairy cow.  When I was growing up (a few years ago).  there was a lot of small family owned dairies there aren't as many now.

My dad had Maine X Holstein.  Bred the Holsteins to Maines to start his Maine herd.  Remember Al Capone?

 

[red]

Clark County near Springfield, Ohio used to have one of the biggest concentation of Jerseys. Still a lot of Jersey dairies in Ohio. most famous is Young's Jersey Dairy near Yellow springs.

Red

 

[kanshow]

Didn't some use Holstein in their Angus to raise the frame size back in the 70's?  That kind of back fired when mule foot showed up. 

I don't know about everyone else, but I think a good Jersey cow is pretty.. not that I'd want one but they are nice to look at.