The Current Status of Wind Energy in TX

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chambero

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Nobody is "against" wind energy per se, but I did find this article interesting.

August 12, 2011 4:00 A.M. The Wind-Energy Myth
The claims for this “green” source of energy wither in the Texas heat.  Hot? Don’t count on wind energy to cool you down. That’s the lesson emerging from the stifling heat wave that’s hammering Texas. Over the past week or so, Texans have been consuming record-breaking quantities of electricity, and ERCOT, the state’s grid operator, has warned of rolling blackouts if customers don’t reduce their consumption. Texas has 10,135 megawatts of installed wind-generation capacity. That’s nearly three times as much as any other state <http://www.awea.org/learnabout/industry_stats/index.cfm> . But during three sweltering days last week, when the state set new records for electricity demand, the state’s vast herd of turbines proved incapable of producing any serious amount of power.  Consider the afternoon of August 2, when electricity demand hit 67,929 megawatts. Although electricity demand and prices were peaking, output from the state’s wind turbines was just 1,500 megawatts, or about 15 percent of their total nameplate capacity <http://www.ercot.com/news/press_releases/show/413> . Put another way, wind energy was able to provide only about 2.2 percent of the total power demand even though the installed capacity of Texas’s wind turbines theoretically equals nearly 15 percent of peak demand. This was no anomaly. On four days in August 2010, when electricity demand set records, wind energy was able to contribute just 1, 2, 1, and 1 percent, respectively, of total demand. Over the past few years, about $17 billion has been spent installing wind turbines in Texas. Another $8 billion has been allocated for transmission lines to carry the electricity generated by the turbines to distant cities. And now, Texas ratepayers are on the hook for much of that $25 billion, even though they can’t count on the wind to keep their air conditioners running when temperatures soar. That $25 billion could have been used to build about 5,000 megawatts of highly reliable nuclear generation capacity, or as much as 25,000 megawatts of natural-gas-fired capacity, all of which could have been reliably put to work during the hottest days of summer. The wind-energy lobby has been masterly at garnering huge subsidies and mandates by claiming that its product is a “green” alternative to conventional electricity. But the hype has obscured a dirty little secret: When power demand is highest, wind energy’s output is generally low. The reverse is also true: Wind-energy production is usually highest during the middle of the night, when electricity use is lowest.  The incurable intermittency and extreme variability of wind energy requires utilities and grid operators to continue relying on conventional sources of generation like coal, natural gas, and nuclear fuel. Nevertheless, 29 states, plus the District of Columbia, now have renewable-energy mandates. Those expensive mandates cannot be met with solar energy, which, despite enormous growth in recent years, still remains a tiny player in the renewable sector. If policymakers want to meet those mandates, landowners and citizens will have to learn to live with sprawling forests of noisy, 45-story-tall wind turbines. The main motive for installing all those turbines is that they are supposed to help reduce carbon-dioxide emissions, which, in turn, is supposed to help prevent global temperature increases. But it’s already hot — really hot — in Texas and other parts of the southern United States. And that leads to an obvious question: If the global-warming catastrophists are right, and it’s going to get even hotter, then why the heck are we putting up wind turbines that barely work when it’s hot? — Robert Bryce is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. His fourth book, Power Hungry: The Myths of “Green” Energy and the Real Fuels of the Future <http://www.nationalreview.com/redirect/amazon.p?j=%201586489534> , was recently issued in paperback.   
 

sue

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I dont know if our grid system is currently updated to handle alll of  "wind energy storage "?

This is a long process.. Wind  Creates alot of jobs- you know the same company that made rail road hardware and the  hardware that holds the  statue of liberty now employs labor for windmills?.

I personally would want to own the windmills and sell the excess energy produced- you'll the opposite happening know. Most "rent the land or space" and the windmill is built.



 

dare3324

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Something most people don't know is that wind costs more to produce than it can be sold for even with the huge subsidies. But, the government mandates a percentage of all providers to purchase so many percent of their sales from green energy which is primarily wind. So if they have already purchased their minimum when the demand hits they are better off blacking out than providing energy at a loss.
 

chambero

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I just found it interesting on several points related to:

1.  The total potential contribution to our overall power supply in Texas. 

2.  The fact that when we need the most power, we aren't getting hardly anything from wind.  Hadn't thought much about that before.  What this means is that we still have to build more convential generating capacity to cover these demands.  You basically have to pretend wind supplies don't exist.

3.  There are massive transmission line projects underway across Texas that are very contentious (crossing peoples land that don't want them).  It takes a lot of high voltage lines due to the dispersed nature of wind fields.

Like I said, I'm certainly not against it.  But the wind energy push has some things in common with green fuels using ethanol from corn as far as efficiencies go.
 

hamburgman

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I heard here in Iowa we are at 20% "green" energy now, and I understood it as electricity.  Iowa is a different story than Texas of course, easier to meet demand and not as dispersed also.  Des Moines being the largest city would pry be a suburb in Texas.
 

knabe

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proof that the government should not be involved and that they are WASTING taxpayer money, yet they keep getting elected.

if people would realize it's THEIR money they are getting a 85% loss on their money, they might elect people differently.

somehow, these programs are hard to kill.

the only person slicker than these politicians is a steer planet member who sells cattle when there is a court order restricting them from doing so.

just remember folks, set up your cattle deals so when they go sour they don't end up in civil court, because the thief wins when suing them in civil court costs more than the cost of the deal.  you can bet you bottom dollar these thieves know this.  hand shakes and their word are their primary way of doing business.  always sign your checks with the specific thing you are paying for in the comment field.  it's a contract.

watch out for people from montana on steer planet.

 

Okotoks

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I don't know too much about it, seems there are two opposing viewpoints in the articles (how unique ;) )
I know Phil and Jennifer Butterfield installed a wind mill years ago and said they lost money on it. It was huge and when i visited in April they had dismantled it because the replacement parts were so expensive. Maybe the new models would be better.
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An article against installing a wind farm in Medicine Hat
http://windconcernsontario.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/no-case-for-wind-energy-in-alberta/

A website about the advantages of wind energy

http://www.canwea.ca/wind-energy/index_e.php
 

Telos

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"Like I said, I'm certainly not against it.  But the wind energy push has some things in common with green fuels using ethanol from corn as far as efficiencies go."

These are my thoughts exactly. Too much input and minimal results.

 
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