The old mind isn't completely gone! The white bull's name I previously mentioned was Lazy D Magic Leprechaun, sold by Lazy D to Lippert Family Shorthorns of Beatrice, Nebraska, according to the ASA website. He was a double bred Improver, pretty good bull, just a little different.
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No, I didn't ever see the bull. I did follow the breeding at Lazy D for a while as I thought they produced some top breeding animals. Shadybrook brought Lazy D Deerpark Ruth up to Canada and for some reason the cattle were sent through Alberta and spent a couple of days at our place. Lazy D Deerpark Ruth was a daughter of Deerpark Leader and out of Hillrock E Ruth. This was one of the best cows I have ever seen. Later we bought her daughter from Shadybrook. She was by SRS Instant Replay and bred to Marc 1V. The Marc 1V daughter was Grand Champion at Agribition for JIT after he bought her from us earlier that fall.oakview said:
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What happened to the Irish shorthorns in Ireland? It seems like they disappeared. I remember Iceway promoting the Kilkelly Duke bull in the early 90's, the Improvers made a comeback prior to TH mid to late 90's, but you never hear anything about Irish cattle anymore unless is Dividend or Improver. I guess the legend and mystique will live forever. (for Shorthorn enthusiasts anyways)
I have a 2009 semen catalogue from Ireland. Most of the bulls are listed here http://www.irishshorthorns.com/index.php/breeding/beef-bulls
The best bulls listed in their sire summary are Canadian. Other than that I'd probably need to see all the Irish bulls in person to make a selection because the pics and info is very limited. Judging by the picture I'd probably go with Malton Zenith or Chapelton Liberty. There is no more semen on Deerpark Furty (at least that's what I was told)
This is an interesting thread. Thanks to everyone who's contributing. I enjoy reading about this topic.
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I have a 2009 semen catalogue from Ireland. Most of the bulls are listed here http://www.irishshorthorns.com/index.php/breeding/beef-bulls
The best bulls listed in their sire summary are Canadian. Other than that I'd probably need to see all the Irish bulls in person to make a selection because the pics and info is very limited. Judging by the picture I'd probably go with Malton Zenith or Chapelton Liberty. There is no more semen on Deerpark Furty (at least that's what I was told)
This is an interesting thread. Thanks to everyone who's contributing. I enjoy reading about this topic.
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That sure is a differant looking white bull compared to the other Irish cattle. How could he survive, without being able to reach to the bottom of a 5 gallon pail? 
JIT do you have any pictures of Master Charge's Sire, DEERPARK IMPROVER 52, If memory serves me right, he was a more moderate thicker bull.
JIT do you have any pictures of Master Charge's Sire, DEERPARK IMPROVER 52, If memory serves me right, he was a more moderate thicker bull.
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coyote said:That sure is a differant looking white bull compared to the other Irish cattle. How could he survive, without being able to reach to the bottom of a 5 gallon pai?
JIT do you have any pictures of Master Charge's Sire, DEERPARK IMPROVER 52, If memory serves me right, he was a more moderate thicker bull.
We selected Deerpark Improver 52 for Huber's when we purchased IDS Duke of Dublin in Ireland. Improver 52nd was a full brother to Improver 57th, and I suspect that he was also TH free. The reason I say this is that several descendants of the 52nd, including some daughters, were TH tested and all came back TH free. The 52nd was considered the best bull calf in the Deerpark herd that year. I do not have a picture of the 52nd, but I may be able to get one from Huber's. He was moderate framed and one of the longest bodied bulls I ever saw. He sired excellent offspring of both sexes. His daughters were simply awesome cows and I certainly wish I had collected more of them. There was never any semen collected on Improver 52 as he would not freeze properly, yet I never have heard of any of his sons having this problem. I think the set of Improver 52 daughters that Huber's had several years ago, were about as good a set of females I have ever seen. Moderate framed, feminine, thick made, and great uddered with lots of milk.
I was offered Improver 52 for $2000 after Huber's had used him for about 4 years, but we still were running 4 full Irish herd sires ( Highfield Irish Mist, Duke of Dublin, Sandy Creek Ivor, CCS Drover) as well as Waukaru Cinnabar, Ellsway Chieftain ( a super Columbus son), Ready Go and Weston Secretariat. I was not really needing another herd bull, so I turned him down. After seeing how his offspring have done, I soon realized that was a mistake.
IMO, Deerpark Improver 52nd was one of the greatest breeding bulls ever to come from Ireland. It is unfortunate he never got to be used in more herds, or that no semen was ever able to be collected on him. His influence still lives on through some of his offspring like Huberdale Mastercharge. The Saskvalley herd is steeped in Mastercharge influence. Our herdsire, Saskvalley Pioneer has 7 crosses of Mastercharge, 7 crosses of Irish Mist and 4 crosses of Super Flag in his pedigree, if you go back several generations.
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The white bull? Ain't he on the "dairy sires" page? Relax.coyote said:That sure is a differant looking white bull compared to the other Irish cattle. How could he survive, without being able to reach to the bottom of a 5 gallon pail?
JIT do you have any pictures of Master Charge's Sire, DEERPARK IMPROVER 52, If memory serves me right, he was a more moderate thicker bull.
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GM said:
The Chapelton and Tofts bulls are from Scotland or England right?
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Chapelton and Tofts are both Scottish herds. They have both imported embryos from Canada, some of the embryos were sired by American bulls.DRB said:
Does anyone have photos of Deerpark Improver2nd (Guinness) or Deerpark Improver 3 that they could post? Improver 2nd was one of my favourite Irish bulls.
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hey DRB, Chapelton Liberty is from pre foot and mouth era, like most UK Shorthorns then , about 50% MA and 50% Shorthorn, the current Chapelton herd is all from embyro project I put together for Mr Biggar... 28 donor cows and 12 sires... the best breeding bull in the UK is probably Chapelton Typhoon , http://www.chapeltonfarm.co.uk/home.html, also did their AA project. A number of these emybro bulls are now working in Ireland
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Rollie, I remember that picture, and it was taken at the end of the breeding season when he was a two year old so he was about 2.5 years old. There is another picture when he was 4 or 5 years old that shows him as a mature bull. I remember talking to Roger Hunsley after he visited Saskvalley and he saw the set of Mastercharge ( a son of Improver 52) two year old females on pasture. He told me that they were the best set of two year old females he had ever seen in any breed.
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That "Cavans Yankee" looks a lot more Shorthorn than Maine.....I like his looks.scotland said:
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Tony Shultz of Iowa purchased Improver 3rd, I think at the Irish Sale from BGR after they were imported, along with a few Irish cows. One of those cows produced Irish Pride, sire of Double Stuff, when mated to Improver 3rd. From there, the 3rd went to Kansas. Tony could probably tell you a little about him. I was personally not a fan of Guiness. He was reputed to be a cow killer by some at the time. We had several calves sired by him and they were a little too 3-piece for me. The calves we had by him were larger than the other Irish calves we had over the years by Ultimate Type, Leader 18th, Duke of Dublin, Leggs, and Quane. I have a young full Irish Leader 18th cow that I would like to flush someday to Duke of Dublin or Quane.
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oakview said:
what does "they were a little too 3-piece for me. " mean? just curious...I've seen a few Guiness calves and they never reall impressed me...at weaning they were all head, horns, sheath and minimal hips. They did look better as mature cows though. The bulls never made it to that age.
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The Guiness dtrs made good mommas, especially when crossed on "US" bulls. The bull that made the most money on dtrs was Prime Time. I had a Prime Time dtr out of the Robin R180 cow that flushed tremendous for me & produced 2 div. winners at Jr Natl's. I had another PT dtr that was full Irish out a Scarlet cow.
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Wasn't there a deal where a whole semen jug of Ayatollah was stolen in Lousiville or Denver or somewhere? Seems likean ad was run in the Shorthorn country about it. I always wondered.......if somewhere........there was a commercial herd........of 2100# black cows...........and the ole guy saying..........man...........that cheap shorthorn semen I bought sure did produce some big cows. ;D
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And wasn't this about the time that Pinedrive Big Sky was born? ;D
