I personally really liked the bull and used him rather heavily two years ago but I ended up with a lot of calves that where shallow flanked and popped their pasterns expecially on the left leg (opposite show side) when he clicks they where amazing, but that was not always the case. I also purchased a tiger woods steer on cwcattlesales who developed the same problems and ended up heading to market after his prospect show days ended. His back hock literary blew out so bad he couldn't put waight on it. This just may be my opinion but that's the luck I had with him.