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there is at least one medical practice that won't ever be rationed under a democrat plan.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1200583/PETER-HITCHENS-How-long-abort-old-too.html?ITO=1490

Aborted babies are slaughtered by the tens of thousands, solely because they are inconvenient to young, busy people.

Old, ill parents are also going to become a major nuisance to the same generation, very soon indeed. Baby boomers are all secretly terrified that mum or dad will end up wasting away slowly in a care home, rapidly consuming the inheritance.
 

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..industrious Americans with time on there hands  hummmm   

Industrious Americans don't have time on their hands, they have already found something else to do!

not everyone unemployed...is a  worthless/lazy/ welfare fraud  either....... there are alot of good employees available now...i'm getting 10/15 applications a month.... ....most of them way overqualified..legal citzens....just need a job...publix/winn dixie/ local  large food distributors used to hire 25% school kids part time....and about 15 % retired/fixed income employees  ( both parttime)....now those jobs are filled with young men and women 20's/30's ...hackin' out 30 hrs/ week....even the second shift "manager" at the bp station, with a business degree is still out there looking for work....probally just as many people with jobs actively looking for something "better"......as "unemployable"...vagrants...
if labor would have organized the cotton fields before the coal mines.....does that mean all the hillbillies would be in the south now??....im sure they'd just as soon pick cotton."above" the ground...than  coal down under the ground....jbarl
 

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if labor would have organized the cotton fields before the coal mines.....does that mean all the hillbillies would be in the south now??....im sure they'd just as soon pick cotton."above" the ground...than  coal down under the ground....jbarl

if liberals are so upset with digging for coal in mines, then try another method and open up cleaner coal that clinton took out of production, thus protecting indonesia for some reason.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=285982232964929
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/724170/posts

When the President signed the Executive Order designating 1.7 million acres of land in southwest Utah as the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument, his action placed the area off limits to mineral extraction and development.

The New York Times reported that the monument encloses the largest coal field in the nation, the Kaiparowitz Plateau, which contains at least 7 billion tons of coal worth over $1 TRILLION.

Kentucky-based company Andalux Resources, which holds leases on 3,400 acres in the area, was planning to open a huge operation (underground, not strip mining) that would have generated 1,000 jobs, $1 million in annual revenue for Kane County, and at least $10 million a year in state and federal taxes, according to the New York Times. Folks living in the area wore black arm bands the day o the signing - but Clinton didn't see them. He chose to make his announcement in a neighboring state. WHY?

Why did he do it? Why lock up $1 trillion worth of coal?

An obvious explanation is he was hoping to secure the environmentalist vote. Though that was no doubt part of his reasoning, he had surely achieved such an objective earlier this summer when he declared the huge area outside Yellowstone National Park a World Heritage Area. Let'' look further.

In the weeks prior to the past election, revelations surfaced almost daily regarding donations from foreign sources to the Democratic Party and Clinton's past campaigns. At the center of the controversy was another set of people to whom Clinton owes a few favors: the Lippo Group, a powerful $5 billion Indonesian conglomerate, founded and owned by the Riady family who, it turned out, had raised and funneled millions of dollars into campaign coffers.

Democrats attempted to downplay the allegations of impropriety. Even if the Clinton campaign and the Party did receive illegal contribution- which is denied -what, they demanded, had Clinton done for Lippo Group, the Riadys, or Indonesia that really affects this country adversely? Good question. The Payoff

Clinton's announcement at the Grand Canyon was wrapped in political correctness. "Mining jobs are good jobs, and mining is important to our national security - but we can't have mines everywhere, and we shouldn't have mines that threaten national treasures," he told his sycophantic audience.

But coal is not only important for our nation's security. More importantly, at the present time it is the most cost-effective fuel for the electric plants that supply our homes and industries with light, heat and power.

Moreover, the coal at Kaiporowitz Plateau is a kind of coal that is not found "everywhere." It is very low sulfur, low ash - hence, low polluting - coal, the kind in high demand for power plants, such as one being designed for Ensenada, Mexico. That megawatt giant, presently on the drawing boards, will supply electricity across northern Baja, an area plagued by brownouts.

Had it not been taken off the world market, the logical source of coal for the Baja plant would be the Kaiparowitz Plateau. Once mined it could be transported by rail to the ports of Long Beach or Los Angeles, then by barge to Ensenada. Thanks to Clinton, there will be no exporting of Kaiparowitz coal, which means the facility's procurement people will have to look elsewhere for clean non-polluting fuel.

Only two other sources

Besides the Kaiparowitz Plateau, there are only two other known locations in the world where comparable coal is found in sufficient quantities to make mining it worthwhile. Colombia in South America is one, but it'll be years before the necessary mining and shipping infrastructure is built.

The other? You got it. Indonesia.

That's right - the coal fields of South Kalimantan (Borneo), Indonesia. Big plans are online for its development. Indonesia has been a source of coal for over a century, but the coal varies sharply in terms of quality. Recently, however, a coal that is very low in sulfur has been discovered. A number of coal companies are already there, and it's a good bet Lippo Group money is involved. A major company is Adaro Indonesia, of which 20 percent is owned by the Spanish government, 50 percent by New Hope Corp., an Australian firm


democrats.  soooooooooooooooo interested in labor.  NOT.  america must not produce it's own energy unless it's subsidized by the government.  i remember when clinton signed this with al gore looking over his shoulder with a big fat smile on his face.  in one signature, he raised the price of energy, increased our dependence on foreign sources of energy.  there just has to be a pro labor anti business spin for this.
 

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knabe said:
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if labor would have organized the cotton fields before the coal mines.....does that mean all the hillbillies would be in the south now??....im sure they'd just as soon pick cotton."above" the ground...than  coal down under the ground....jbarl



  there just has to be a pro labor anti business spin for this.

"there just has to be a pro labor anti business spin for this"......that is the spin....pro labor is never anti business...its there livelyhood...thinking like that is about as old as your reagan poster... ;)  jbarl
wva/kentucky/virgina/ coal....a trillion.....wva/kentucky/virgina/natural gas....a gazillion....vertical  gas drillling going on right now  at wva/ virginia border counties at the ole coal mines in the shale beds...quite successful to date...logan county west virgina...illegals need not apply....
 

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"there just has to be a pro labor anti business spin for this"......that is the spin....pro labor is never anti business...its there livelyhood...thinking like that is about as old as your reagan poster... ;)  jbarl

you have never addressed the buggy whip question.  pro labor is never anti business is poppycock.  protecting buggy whip workers is poppycock when there is no use for buggy whips.
 

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knabe said:
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"there just has to be a pro labor anti business spin for this"......that is the spin....pro labor is never anti business...its there livelyhood...thinking like that is about as old as your reagan poster... ;)  jbarl

you have never addressed the buggy whip question.  pro labor is never anti business is poppycock.  protecting buggy whip workers is poppycock when there is no use for buggy whips.
i have never understood your  buggy whip platform ???....you have never understood labor......something tells me you wouldnt be for protecting any worker....see if i build you a microscope factroy now.... :D....jbarl
 

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We must do the right thing and VOTE THESE GUYS OUT OF OFFICE!
Obama is bankrupting our country, consolidating power to stay in office, will raise taxes, take from the producers and the successfull and give to the non-producers and unsuccessfull, ruin our health care, destroy our CIA and other intelligent agencies. He will cater to unions and minorities for votes with more socialistic  entitlement/welfare programs. He will have the support of all libs and "green" people with the ridiculous cap-and-trade program. The ignorant but emotional and rich Hollywood types that support Al Gore's propaganda will also support Obama as he wrecks our economy, putting us into debt that is not sustainable.
And this is no accident. This is planned so that the government can control every aspect of our lives. And the only ones who truly benefit are the "leaders" at the top.
 

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i have never understood your  buggy whip platform ???....you have never understood labor......something tells me you wouldnt be for protecting any worker....see if i build you a microscope factroy now.... :D....jbarl

easy, cars came along and buggy whips were not needed any more in the volume before.  should we have protected labor to make buggy whips?  should we have subsidized horse carriages and horses and slowed down the development of automobiles? we made a mistake designing cities, but that still doesn't mean we should subsidize buggy whips just to protect labor.  the point is that had we done that, resources would not have been reallocated quickly.

i understand labor in that if they want to organize and negotiate etc, but i get to fire all of them if i want to.  the problem with auto unions is they don't respond to their competition, ie toyota in US.  they think short term and don't  allow reallocate resources, retraining budgets, etc.  rarely do unions respond to downturns in market demand.  unions need to respond to markets, not just be a product themselves immune from markets.

what if my microscope sorted 2n cells out of semen?
 

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knabe said:
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i have never understood your  buggy whip platform ???....you have never understood labor......something tells me you wouldnt be for protecting any worker....see if i build you a microscope factroy now.... :D....jbarl

easy, cars came along and buggy whips were not needed any more in the volume before.  should we have protected labor to make buggy whips?  should we have subsidized horse carriages and horses and slowed down the development of automobiles? we made a mistake designing cities, but that still doesn't mean we should subsidize buggy whips just to protect labor.  the point is that had we done that, resources would not have been reallocated quickly.

i understand labor in that if they want to organize and negotiate etc, but i get to fire all of them if i want to.  the problem with auto unions is they don't respond to their competition, ie toyota in US.  they think short term and don't  allow reallocate resources, retraining budgets, etc.  rarely do unions respond to downturns in market demand.  unions need to respond to markets, not just be a product themselves immune from markets.

what if my microscope sorted 2n cells out of semen?

kinda like the mechinacal typewriter.....at least you can still by a new buggy whip....probally more made now than in 1916??....i really dont think the buggy whip lobby delayed the progress of automibles/tractors and amercian industry that much ....do you?...
first you want them all to be  prepared to be  fired at once......then you think that "they" should resopnd quicker to the markets, and keep there "hands on the pulse of the market ??.. ...dont ask much of your employees do ya......unions respond to downturns the same way capitalists do....union members get unemployment....capitalists get tax cuts...whats the difference??  jbarl

i wont build your microscope factory now, no matter what it does......i dont like the way you treat your employees.... ;)
 

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kinda like the mechinacal typewriter.....at least you can still by a new buggy whip....probally more made now than in 1916??....i really dont think the buggy whip lobby delayed the progress of automibles/tractors and amercian industry that much ....do you?...
first you want them all to be  prepared to be   fired at once......then you think that "they" should resopnd quicker to the markets, and keep there "hands on the pulse of the market ??.. ...dont ask much of your employees do ya......unions respond to downturns the same way capitalists do....union members get unemployment....capitalists get tax cuts...whats the difference??  jbarl

i wont build your microscope factory now, no matter what it does......i dont like the way you treat your employees.... ;)

once again you miss the analogy.  if we protected buggy whip manufacturing, it would have delayed a response to markets. you would have had to burn them, just like we did when FDR was president instead of just let the market determine a price.  really, more buggy whips today than in 1890?  no wonder you can't see that everyone should be prepared to be fired is a good thing.  that's why you save money, keep educating yourself etc.

the difference between unemployment, which is good, they saved or allocated for it, but if it's from government, it's a tax cut, and the capitalist tax cut, is that i don't want tax cuts for capitalists, i want everyone to pay taxes, all the time.  i want to treat the employee the same as the employer.  no favorites.  people are in trouble now because they don't save and overextend themselves.

example.  across the street neighbor's house is being sold on courthouse steps on the 27th. they bought at the peak for 850,000 or so.  they sold their then 400,000 home with over 150,000 equity and got a liars loan, ie no declared income because they were the right color.  the lady was the county dog catcher and the man was a construction worker.  that loan had a 5500 payment.  yes it was stupid that both sides entered the contract.  neither side was forced, both should pay.  one should pay for investing in the bank thinking they could make money off these stupid loans.  it's not necessary to be so tied in to pyramid schemes.
 

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knabe said:
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kinda like the mechinacal typewriter.....at least you can still by a new buggy whip....probally more made now than in 1916??....i really dont think the buggy whip lobby delayed the progress of automibles/tractors and amercian industry that much ....do you?...
first you want them all to be  prepared to be   fired at once......then you think that "they" should resopnd quicker to the markets, and keep there "hands on the pulse of the market ??.. ...dont ask much of your employees do ya......unions respond to downturns the same way capitalists do....union members get unemployment....capitalists get tax cuts...whats the difference??  jbarl

i wont build your microscope factory now, no matter what it does......i dont like the way you treat your employees.... ;)

once again you miss the analogy.  if we protected buggy whip manufacturing, it would have delayed a response to markets. you would have had to burn them, just like we did when FDR was president instead of just let the market determine a price.  really, more buggy whips today than in 1890?  no wonder you can't see that everyone should be prepared to be fired is a good thing.  that's why you save money, keep educating yourself etc.

the difference between unemployment, which is good, they saved or allocated for it, but if it's from government, it's a tax cut, and the capitalist tax cut, is that i don't want tax cuts for capitalists, i want everyone to pay taxes, all the time.  i want to treat the employee the same as the employer.  no favorites.  people are in trouble now because they don't save and overextend themselves.

example.  across the street neighbor's house is being sold on courthouse steps on the 27th. they bought at the peak for 850,000 or so.  they sold their then 400,000 home with over 150,000 equity and got a liars loan, ie no declared income because they were the right color.  the lady was the county dog catcher and the man was a construction worker.  that loan had a 5500 payment.  yes it was stupid that both sides entered the contract.  neither side was forced, both should pay.  one should pay for investing in the bank thinking they could make money off these stupid loans.  it's not necessary to be so tied in to pyramid schemes.

we just want to make microscopes..we dont need any analogy...jbarl
 

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This should help clear up the buggy whip analogy

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we just want to make microscopes..we dont need any analogy...jbarl

make em.  when they are obsolete, have the foresight to have an R&D department that is looking beyond the horizon for nuc's and other stuff.

typically, R&D budgets run about 8-10% of revenue.  in that R&D department, about 90% is development.  the other 10% is research.  what that means is that really, 1% of the average companies revenues are devoted at a maximum! at 1%.  it really isn't that much of a budget stretch to double that to 2%, decrease development, or hire better development people, other options.

what is also means, is that a lot of people, including myself, have job titles so they can pretend they are doing research, ie research associate.  what they are typically doing is development as a transition between research and manufacturing.  some people want this title.  they take less money to be on a track that has an infinite number of 3-tiered research 1,2,3 etc instead of money and skills when they should be planning for their elimination.

i view my job, and this is not everyone's job, is to eliminate my job by incorporating automation.  the more things i can automate, the more people we can hire that have jack in the box skills that used to take Ph.D's., then MS, then BS, then AS, then in college, then high school etc.  at one stage, at the genome center i was at, we had 16-20 high school kids picking colonies.  then we purchased a colony picker for 100k.  so even they are not "protected".

this process frees people up to find solutions rather than flip burgers.
 

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JbarL said:
us peoples cant even agree on a problem let alone concentrate on a soultion.....

ha, lots of problems don't need to be resolved.  that's what card games are for.
 

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