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Freddy

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First picture  is a a Sept. yearling Charolais an picture taken a month ago ....

second picture is a April 2009 bull an picture just recently taken .

Third picture is a Friction son born in August  2008 an just pulled from breeding pasture ....Picture was very recent ...
Just looking for  different opinions  on frame for these clubby  bulls .  Don't worry about hurting my feelings because  I've learned to
try to learn from observations an not take them personal . Sometimes pictures are also deceiving ...
 

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Mark H

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Freddy,

I am not concerned about the frame on the two purebred bulls but the lack of muscle and thickness.  From the looks of them they are out of dedicated calving ease bloodlines and are not optimal for carcass or showsteer production.  Purebred bulls with the phentotype of the crossbred bull are available and they put out a smoke every time they are bred to a black cow.  I am not knocking the two bulls, they likely have merit in calving ease or in producing cows.

 

Show Heifer

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I like the second bull.  I believe they are thick enough, but lack a bit of "flash and style" that is needed in the show ring. No, they are not freaks, but I am seeing a trend away from freaks and back to just functional "do everything right, and nothing wrong" sort of animals instead of the "widest butt wins" type of animal.

What are your plans for these?
 

Freddy

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Guess I will answer Mark first , been in raising Charolais fifty years  an was always trying to raise them better , when young an ambitious birth weight didn't bother me as much an back then there was not very many calving ease Charolais bulls an a lot had Brahmaa influence ,something we didn't  use in our herd ...But through watching these cattle through those years I developed a very high dislike for calves thatweigh over a 100 lbs because of the fact that those to heavy muscled bigger calves came what I dislike the most in my cattle is dead calves an a lot more problems ....also back here you find very few people that will buy a bull that weighed 100 or slightly more ....People use to try them but made up their own mind what they were going to put  up with...
Ithink we proably have went over board with it ,some people won't look at one that  is in the 90's ..an Mark you are very correct , that is where the extra meat comes from  but if to much of it you can lose to....

Show heifer  we keep an interest in both the white bulls ,but they are for sale now .The second bull was just RESERVE Grand at Ne, State fair ...I measured him an he is slighty under 6 frame. I will post a picture of his sire ,an his mother also produced the Smoke bull  an is one of our top donor cows .
She might even have s better full brother this year ....His sire' s first calf brought 5000 last year right off the cow an showed well in Texas in most of the junior shows an won division in AUSTIN ....

The top bull I kept strictly for the club calf end of it,he is a twin to heifer that is beautiful but is also a fremartin,  Have a promeinent steer guy interested in him,see what happens ...
 

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