What is that in the Sky?

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aj

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Why did the "Clovis" technology spread throughout North America for a 500 year period? Did it spread from North to South or West to East. Is it part of the Soultrean technology? I doubt we will ever know till the great flintnapper in the sky calls us home. It is fun to ponder in our spare time.
 

JSchroeder

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So, to be clear and so we can all know who we are listening to, please let me know which of the following beliefs I have mistakenly credited to you based on your posts…

1 - Bush was either behind or knew about 9/11 and it was most likely plotted by Israel

2 - Chemtrails are not just condensation, they are being spread by the military (who evidently cannot figure out how to disperse a non-visible chemical)

3 - The government was either behind or knew about the Oklahoma City bombings

4 - Obama is an illegal alien

5 - Obama is trying to eliminate the United States by eliminating the border with Mexico.  He is doing this at the behest of the “global banking cartel”.

6 - Anthrax was a government job

7 - The Mexicans are trying to help Obama take our guns.

8 - The “mass media”, especially Fox News, is behind all of it

9 - You picture yourself as some sort of “Morpheus” for those of us who are still in the dark
 

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cotullaguy said:
GM,

When someone cannot understand these issues they always try to attack. GM, you did not make one comment about the subject which was chemtrails and a video.  I talk about cows, bulls etc as much as anyone on here. 

I do not believe in most any of the things you just listed.  I could care less about celebrities.  What I do care about is a government that is lying, killing, and stealing from Americans.  I, unlike you, go where the evidence leads me.  Not what someone else tells I should believe.  I read books and learn.  I do not just get pissed when someone says something I do not believe or understand. I try  to understand it and investigate it.  I do not watch tv as they just lie and are only for petty entertainment.

But, you sound like a well informed Fox News  guru.

Here are a couple of questions for you since you seem to be very well informed:

1) How did bombs get inside the Murrah Building in OKC?

2)  1184 Architects and Engineers have now signed a petition for a new investigation into 9/11 putting their reputations on the line.  How did Osama Bin Laden's conspirator hijackers get 3 buildings to fall at free fall speed when only 2 of them were hit by planes and the third only had isolated fires? 

I didn't attack you; I just gave you material for your own message board that I assume you want to start.  Your last three topics are very popular conspiracy theories that gained momentum on the internet.  

A conspiracy is defined as an agreement between two or more people to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act...a conspiracy theory attempts to attribute the ultimate cause of an event (usually major political, social, historical, or cultural events), chain of events, or the concealment of causes from public knowledge, to a secret and often deceptive plan by a group of people or organizations. These theories usually go against a general consensus and/or cannot be proven.

An article in the Scientific American discussed four reasons why people believe in conspiracy theories:
1) Patternicity, or a tendency to find meaningful patterns in random noise;
2) Agenticity, or the bent to believe the world is controlled by invisible intentional agent;
3) Confirmation bias, or the seeking and finding of confirmatory evidence for what we already believe;
4) Hindsight bias, or tailoring after-the-fact explanations to what we already know happened.

Most Americans believe in conspiracy theories.  However, I believe that my peers on this site (including you) are actually more educated than most Americans.  Thats why its difficult for you to find people who support these ideas here.


 

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Thank you Carl S.


We’ve all heard the “official conspiracy theory” of the Death Star attack. We all know about Luke Skywalker and his ragtag bunch of rebels, how they mounted a foolhardy attack on the most powerful, well-defended battle station ever built. And we’ve all seen the video over, and over, and over, of the one-in-a-million shot that resulted in a massive chain reaction that not just damaged, but completely obliterated that massive technological wonder.

Like many, I was fed this story when I was growing up. But as I watched the video, I began to realize that all was not as it seemed. And the more I questioned the official story, the deeper into the rabbit hole I went.

Presented here are some of the results of my soul-searching regarding this painful event. Like many citizens, I have many questions that I would like answered: was the mighty Imperial government really too incompetent to prevent a handful of untrained nerf-herders from destroying one of their most prized assets? Or are they hiding something from us? Who was really behind the attack? Why did they want the Death Star destroyed? No matter what the answers, we have a problem.

Uncomfortable Questions about the Death Star Attack

1) Why were a handful of rebel fighters able to penetrate the defenses of a battle station that had the capability of destroying an entire planet and the defenses to ward off several fleets of battle ships?


The above photos show Death Star defenses. Did they stand down?

2) Why did Grand Moff Tarkin refuse to deploy the station’s large fleet of TIE Fighters until it was too late? Was he acting on orders from somebody to not shoot down the rebel attack force? If so, who, and why?

3) Why was the rebel pilot who supposedly destroyed the Death Star reported to be on the Death Star days, maybe hours, prior to its destruction? Why was he allowed to escape, and why were several individuals dressed in Stormtrooper uniforms seen helping him?

4) Why has there not been an investigation into allegations that Darth Vader, the second-ranking member of the Imperial Government, is in fact the father of the pilot who allegedly destroyed the Death Star?


Why didn't he arrest this rebel when he had the chance?

5) Why did Lord Vader decide to break all protocols and personally pilot a lightly armored TIE Fighter? Conveniently, this placed Lord Vader outside of the Death Star when it was destroyed, where he was also conveniently able to escape from a large-sized rebel fleet that had just routed the Imperial forces. Why would Lord Vader, one of the highest ranking members of the Imperial Government, suddenly decide to fly away from the Death Star in the middle of a battle? Did he know something that the rest of the Imperial Navy didn’t?

In the video of the Death Star’s destruction, Lord Vader clearly exclaims “I have you now” then fires two shots. Those shots never impact — anywhere. Were they merely “added” to the “official” video after the event to make it appear that Lord Vader had at least attempted to fight off his alleged son?


Onboard Camera shows the lone rebel in Vader's sights but doesn't pull the trigger.




6) Nerf-Herders defy the laws of physics? How could any pilot shoot a missile into a 2 meter-wide exhaust port, let alone a pilot with no formal training, whose only claim to fame was his ability to “bullseye womprats” on Tatooine? This shot, according to one pilot, would be “impossible, even for a computer.” Yet, according to additional evidence, the pilot who allegedly fired the missile turned off his targeting computer when he was supposedly firing the shot that destroyed the Death Star. How did the missile make a right angle turn after entering the exhaust port? How could a missile shot in the vacuum of space–that would tend to keep going in the same direction as it was released, according to the laws of physics–be *sucked* into an *exhaust* pipe? "Exhaust" means to exhale or blow out... Wouldn’t the missiles have been blown awry of their target rather than sucked in? If it had been an intake pipe, then the “bending” path of the missiles could be plausible. Why have these discrepancies never been investigated, let alone explained?

Actual tactical computer recording.






The Magic Missile Theory

7) Why has their been no investigation into evidence that the droids who provided the rebels with the Death Star plans were once owned by none other than Lord Vader himself, and were found, conveniently, by the pilot who destroyed the Death Star, and who is also believed to be Lord Vader’s son? Evidence also shows that the droids were brought to one Ben Kenobi, who, records indicate, was Darth Vader’s teacher many years earlier! Are all these personal connections between the conspirators and a key figure in the Imperial government supposed to be coincidences?

How could a single missile destroy a battle station the size of a moon? No records, anywhere, show that any battle station or capital ship has ever been destroyed by a single missile. Furthermore, analysis of the tape of the last moments of the Death Star show numerous small explosions along its surface, prior to it exploding completely! Why does all evidence indicate that strategically placed explosives, not a single missile, is what destroyed the Death Star?



How could this small missile create an explosion this big?



9) Prior to the destruction of the Death Star a smuggler named Captain Solo was reportedly given a large sum of money. At a crucial point in the battle, Captain Solo had an unobstructed shot on his choice of the fighters pursuing Skywalker, yet Solo did not take advantage of this opportunity to kill Darth Vader. Although Vader was in the process of firing upon Skywalker’s X-wing, Solo attacked the defensive fighter instead. In the aftermath, Vader escaped, while Solo still had crates of money in his cargo hold. Captain Solo eventually made his way to the Bespin system, where he was seen dining with none other than Vader, who was reportedly obsessed with obtaining Captain Solo’s ship (and the money contained therein). Solo’s ship was then seen flying into the super-structure of the second Death Star, destroying it just after Vader was able to get out (he was seen leaving a shuttle piloted by none other than Luke Skywalker). Yet through this whole sequence of events, the money was never seen removed from Solo’s ship. Was it used to bribe Darth Vader, who (allegedly) assassinated Palpatine? Did anyone other than Vader and Skywalker actually see Emperor Palpatine die?

10 ) During pilot debriefing we leaned that Obi Wan was the one who told Luke to turn off his targeting computer. He said he was told by Obi Wan to "Let go" and "Trust me". This is the same Obi Wan who was, according to the official story,  killed after sabotaging the Death Star by none other than Darth Vader BEFORE speaking to Luke. His convenient death places him inside the Death Star just before the explosions on the surface occur. By faking his death Vader would have given Obi Wan time to plant explosives. The only evidence of his death is his Jedi robe on surveillance cameras. And even that can't be found because they decided to conveniently let the evidence burn in the planet atmosphere. Also, why are there reports from Endor that Lord Vader, Obi Wan and Yoda were seen together AFTER their deaths? And who other than the Empire has the capacity to fake their deaths?

11) Lord Vader executed an officer for incompetence by allowing the rebels to escape. He then orders another officer to disable the Millennium Falcon's hyper drive. The rebels once again escape using the disabled hyper drive. Why was the officer responsible for caring out Lord Vader's order to disable the hyper drive not executed? Why was he in fact given NO disciplinary action what so ever? Why did Lord Vader only disable the hyper drive? If Lord Vader didn't want the rebels to escape, why didn't he disable the ship entirely?

12) Why did the captain of the Imperial Stardestroyer not fire upon the lifepod with the droids carrying Death Star plans? The "official story" says he didn't find the any signs of life. He said  "Hold your fire. There are no life forms. It must have been short-circuited." Why would he be looking for life when it was electronic plans he should have been looking for. Why did he jump to the conclusion it was "short-circuited". Is he a lifepod engineer?

How can all this be just incompetence and coincidence? IMPOSSIBLE!

The most important question of all is why would a shadowy group in the Empire want to destroy such a technological wonder? Is it an excuse to invade Hoth and steal their oil; a planet which didn’t have anything to do with the attacks. Or is it to take away your religious freedoms to practice the dark side of the force? As incredible as this sounds it makes more sense than the official story.
 

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I don't play the conspiracy theory game.  I don't even judge people who believe one or two conspiracy theories.  However, when somebody trashes up an otherwise good forum with one conspiracy theory after another after another, it gets to the point where I just realize you've listened to way too much Alex Jones.  

Arguing over conspiracy theories with somebody who has fallen into the paranoia you have is like wrestling with a pig.  Eventually you realize you’ve done nothing but cover yourself in mud and that’s all the pig wanted to do in the first place.

The only thing I’d ask of you is to post it on a forum where that stuff is relevant.  By doing it here instead of a political and/or infowars type forum you are just trolling for attention.

Please forgive me, I have to stop typing before the new world order sends in black helicopters to take my birth certificate and hide it in the global banking cabal's banks that are going to be blown up by Israel.
 

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Cut this mess out!  Our military is made up of our dads, moms, brothers, and sisters - including the officer corps who would be issuing these commands.  Most officers come from either the service academies or a small handful of schools like Texas A&M that grant full commissions.  I have uncles, aunts, and cousins that are career military that includes ranks of major general, brig. General, and about five full colonels.  My major general uncles last command was the branch of the Army that controlled our ordinance including chemical weapons.  He was an aggie. In my job, I get to be around a lot of senior military officers.  These men and women are trying to help this country- not hurt or kill us.  Cut this shit out or it's gonna be real hard to get past it to talk cows.
 

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I agree, this stuff is getting really, really old.  As others have said, I'm positive there are things our government and military don't want to be common knowledge.  Most of it, we probably really don't need to know.

Like you cotullaguy, I lost someone very dear to me in the Oklahoma City bombing. I read every fact, theory and everything in between that I could find for a long time afterward, and I took all of them into consideration.  I have come to my own conclusions, but the simple fact is it doesn't matter what we think or believe, whether we scream it from the rooftops or never share it with another soul.  It won't bring back the people we loved and lost, and it's not going to keep it from happening again.  The one thing I have learned from it all is that life is too short - my nephew was 18 months old when he was killed.  My family, my friends, the people I love deserve my time and attention - not conspiracy theories.

Cotullaguy, you're either lying to us or yourself when you say you're happy, not bitter and sad or angry.  If you truly believe all this stuff you're dragging up here constantly, then you have to be bitter.  If you don't, then you're just trolling.

You really need to take this crap somewhere else, it just really doesn't belong here..  Start your own forum and post away.  I might even come by and visit it once in awhile, at least there I'd know what I was going to find.
 

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Chambero and DLD make very good points! I actually enjoy the occasional non cattle related topic on SP, but this stuff in this thread is really starting to get old, and honestly quite annoying. I agree with DLD in that I do not believe anyone can live a " happy" life of contentment, carrying all this conspiracy crap inside themselves. You may believe you are happy, but I highly doubt anyone can live a truly " happy and normal" life, when they are constantly looking over their shoulder looking for the next bunch of meanies that are trying to destroy us and our society.

Starting your own site is a good idea. I am certain there are lots out there that will eat up every word. As for me, I will take a pass........
 

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