What to breed heatwave daughters to

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Teacher

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I have several Heatwave daughters  and granddaughters of heatwave that will be calving in the next couple of weeks.  I am trying to decide what semen to order for the next go around.  all of them are smaller framed needs to be loosed up and freer moving.  Any suggestions
 

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Dr who, Dirty harry, total solution, paddey omalley. and a couple of newer bulls that may work Army of One and Bailout.
 

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I wouldn't hesitate to use 3C Macho and Amazon (simmi) on them. Northern Improvement helped a couple of our cows with size and growth. You can always go retro and go back with some cunia son's. Some of the club calf sales have shown some cunia cows that clicked nice with clubbier bulls. We had luck with WHo cow and a Cunia son. it was a nice balance. Wish it were a heifer but we have a nice county fair steer with the combo. You might get some interesting colors with TM Gus etc. Do you know there status TH F or THC ?
 

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I would reccomend Dr. Who, Dawson's Cherokee, and Dameron's OSU Ransom, Might sound crazy but our angus sired clubcalves have been dropping some of our better ones.
 

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Dirty harry works great for us, dr. who, who made who are also good options if the cattle are really sound. Ali is deadly good on the right one too.
 

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I'm not an expert but Who Made Who should work nicely. He's TH and PHA free and has sired many champians.
 

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Okie said:
 all of them are smaller framed needs to be loosed up and freer moving.

pinnochio

kidding aside, think about this. this is a plan of what to do with females that you wanted to be steers.  why do you want to breed them.  this is part of the reason heatwave steers are expensive, to recover this cost.  there really isn't a track record out there of making a majority of heatwave females loose and free moving by a specific mating.

there was an angus bull on here someone was pushing who is as free moving a bull as i've seen in a long time. try him.  basically, you have at least 3 problems.  tight short strided small females without an outlet for grass fed beef at a premium.  sell most of them, keep the ones you want for an experiment, and buy sexed heat wave semen or have the embryos sexed.  in my opinion, and of course people will say there are exceptions, you are beating a dead horse with a huge stick.

frankly, i actually like the holstein idea.  you would get soundness, flex in their pasterns, hocks, marbling, milk, height, black and white pattern, a little more extension, length in muscle, heck, use the red and white holsein bull for red and whites as heatwave is a red carrier and not solid pattern carrier.
 

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RCC COLD FRONT ( A CHAROLAIS BULL FROM CATTLE VISIONS) seems to work great on clubby cows to add some size and keep the great hair and look.  Still makes them real functional and has been real good on calving ease.
First picture is Cold Front.  Second is a heifer out of a wmw.
 

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Try a goat...they ought to have enough milk for that, and actually be able to have them. Kind of kidding...kind of serious. Why is it we all have to try this once? I'm as guilty as the next guy...I had to try one out of a legitimately "great maternal" ANGUS cow. No fing milk, no fleshing ability, terrible cow. Guess we all just won't get it until we get kicked in the nuts chasing "potential". Never again for me....
 

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rtmcc,

Tell me you flushed that cow. Never heard of this combination and can't figure out why.
Please tell me more about the cow and do you still have the heifer.
 

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I saw a few holstein heifers out of very showy clubby type simmentals that were outstanding, they were going back in as recips, and im sure with the right breeding down the road with just that little bit of holstein they could make great show cattle, and gain longevity with the better structure they would receive.
 

rtmcc

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Gary said:
rtmcc,

Tell me you flushed that cow. Never heard of this combination and can't figure out why.
Please tell me more about the cow and do you still have the heifer.

No, we didn't flush her.  The calf actually came from my brother in law.  Cold Front walks his pasture as their clean up bull behind AI for their clubby program.  Admittedly a few more cows got "tossed out with the bull" this year with out AI.  The heifer in the past post is my daughters market heifer for this year.  Here is their Champion AOB heifer at their State Fair.  She is also out of a wmw cow.
 

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sorta depends on what your goal for the calf is. If you are wanting steers out of them I think you go one way and for replacements I think totally opposite. The only trait I think that will need to be kept consistent in either case would be super sound. If I could only choose one Bull for each application I would go with Meyer 734 if your goal is females and sunseeer for steers. The reason for SunSeeker on the steer side is the fact that there are no clubby genetics in his pedigree that I am aware of ( someone please correct me if Im wrong) and that in my opinion will help w some of the soundness issues as well as give you atleast a crack at a great one.
 

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Need to start with a super sound female to use Sun Seeker.  They can have some of the same issues as the Heatwaves.
 
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