We have a small herd of registered angus cows, fairly typical -- final answer, myty in focus,freightliner,northern improvement. Moderate framed, clean fronted good udders, but are frustrated with the limited angus bull market we have. Typically if you do not have a great one you have a limited heifer market. So we tend to just sell stocker calves. Our herd tends to grow because we keep the heifers and are looking to become better marketers and move into the club calf market. Are we better to start we a main cross first then do a simi cross on that F1 or do we do a 4 way cross on our angus cows right off the bat. I'm excited about all of the opportunities etc and all of that. I know some one has been there and has tried all of these thoughts. so if someone could be a friend and help me out it would e very helpfull. thank you in advance and Merry Christmas to all